Quick thoughts on Chris Olave pick and what happened w/ pick #49 {2022 thread bumped} (1 Viewer)

[saintmike23]

Olave has averaged a TD catch, one out of every four receptions in his collegiate career. Not ONE person have I heard present that fact. That is an insane stat.

He might have 12 touchdowns or more as a rookie. Jameis has the arm to get him the ball it’ll just be up to Jameis’ (and Carmichael) ability to manipulate the defense.

 

[MLU]

I'm going to also respectfully disagree on the notion that the front office panicked. In messing around with a couple of mock drafts these last few weeks, one of the things I started realizing was that my mindset on availability changed over time. When you start looking at position, scheme, etc., you create a pool of players that fit best in your circumstances. I would have a hard time believing that Jeff Ireland and Mickey Loomis would turn into Keystone cops at 49.

Now I will say that I was shocked that Travis Jones wasn't our choice.

It's a little shocking that Travis Jones wasn't our choice, but he's a 2-down player. I can't see passing up on a 6-1, 199 guy that runs 4.3/40 with prototypical DB build that loves to hit and has high football IQ, but bad PR for a 2-down player.

 

[GilFinnerty]

No doubt. We've seen a lot of really, really fast guys come into the league with a lot of hype but not do much of anything. It takes more than just being big or fast or big and fast. Every year we hear about some speed merchant who might make a run at the 40 yard dash record. How many of those guys turned out to be actual ball players? I don't want a sprinter trying to play WR. I want a WR who happens to be fast.

Olave's 10 yard split is unreal. It scored 9.98 out of 10 on the RAS. That's truly remarkable. That's where routes are won or lost. Especially in today's game where defenses are so spread out. Get separation early and make the catch.

Im a little skeptical of Olave. Watching his tape his lack of physicality is a concern. Smooth and Fluid. Can be sudden. Im concerned once a physical NFL corner puts some good NFL press on him he can be neutralized. He had alot of free releases at Ohio State. We gave up so much team building resources for him. Stayed put and he fell to 16 then less concerned i suppose.

 

[Jesse Custer]

Olave's agility drills show he can actually be very sudden and you know he's going to be picking CGM's brain hard on how to beat press at the NFL level. And he wouldn't have made it to 16.

 

[DeuceMcAllisterFan]

Im a little skeptical of Olave. Watching his tape his lack of physicality is a concern. Smooth and Fluid. Can be sudden. Im concerned once a physical NFL corner puts some good NFL press on him he can be neutralized. He had alot of free releases at Ohio State. We gave up so much team building resources for him. Stayed put and he fell to 16 then less concerned i suppose.

He was the best receiver on that team when it came to beating press. Hard to be physical with him with his speed and ability to keep dbs off balance with his understanding of how to create space and that includes at the start of the route as the ball is snapped.

And since he’s playing at the Z position, he’s going to be off the LOS often.

 

[DSnfla]

Olave has averaged a TD catch, one out of every four receptions in his collegiate career. Not ONE person have I heard present that fact. That is an insane stat.

It's actually 1 out of every 5 catches were TD's. 175 catches -35 TD's. Which is pretty great. I mentioned it on a thread Thurs cause I heard Mike Detillier say that after we drafted him

 

[Bartyboy]

Saints got waht they needed on offe se to be abke to score more points than last year. A lot more points. D is solid and i trust their vision on the late round picks. Now they got Huney badger.

 

[IceHot]

Occam's Razor actually holds that "all things being equal" the simplest explanation is usually the correct one. But, in this instance, it doesn't appear that all things were equal.

Occam's razor is the most misquoted math theory (Ill thank the movie Contact for that). At no point does the theorem say the simplest explanation is the correct one. The razor does not have anything to do with one conclusion being correct and the other conclusion being incorrect. In fact it requires both conclusions to be the same (that's the part where all things are being equal).

pluralitas non est ponenda sine necessitate, “plurality should not be posited without necessity” or more briefly Entities are not to be multiplied beyond necessity.​

In other words if one mathematical proof has 5 steps to prove A and the other has 10 steps to also prove A than go with the one with 5 steps. All the other stuff is misuse of the theorem.

• Some mammals do indeed lay eggs.
• The earth was round in the 4th century just as it is today.
• And science is usually only right until a more complete answer is discovered.

All the above are areas where wrong conclusions come from misapplication of Occam's Razor.

If you are using Occam's Razor to argue a different conclusion than you have stripped the theorem of all validity.

Furthermore, I think its folly to use Occam's razor to describe a person's thought process as a thought process has no need to follow logic or have validity.

Nonetheless, the use of the theorem in this thread while misquoted has for the most part stayed on track as long as we dont stray from the fact that we picked who we picked.

 

[St. Widge]

Occam's razor is the most misquoted math theory (Ill thank the movie Contact for that). At no point does the theorem say the simplest explanation is the correct one. The razor does not have anything to do with one conclusion being correct and the other conclusion being incorrect. In fact it requires both conclusions to be the same (that's the part where all things are being equal).

pluralitas non est ponenda sine necessitate, “plurality should not be posited without necessity” or more briefly Entities are not to be multiplied beyond necessity.​

In other words if one mathematical proof has 5 steps to prove A and the other has 10 steps to also prove A than go with the one with 5 steps. All the other stuff is misuse of the theorem.

• Some mammals do indeed lay eggs.
• The earth was round in the 4th century just as it is today.
• And science is usually only right until a more complete answer is discovered.

All the above are areas where wrong conclusions come from misapplication of Occam's Razor.

If you are using Occam's Razor to argue a different conclusion than you have stripped the theorem of all validity.

Furthermore, I think its folly to use Occam's razor to describe a person's thought process as a thought process has no need to follow logic or have validity.

Nonetheless, the use of the theorem in this thread while misquoted has for the most part stayed on track as long as we dont stray from the fact that we picked who we picked.

Yes, I know that the phrasing currently used is not actually Occam's Razor and that it really used from formal logic/mathematical proofs. And I know that because I first learned of it when getting an undergraduate degree in Philosophy, not from watching "Contact."

However, the saying is used colloquially now, not as some formal logical proof. So, while what you are saying is correct, it's not the usage in modern culture. I didn't really feel the need to point that out to Elias in a football thread. Instead, I played off his use of the colloquial meaning of the term as a rhetorical device to make the point that unwarranted assumptions were being made and that there was direct evidence that they took Taylor at 49 because they thought he was BPA, not because of any convoluted, not simple reason, for taking him.

But if we can get back to football, Underhill recently confirmed that the Saints had not planned to draft a safety, Brisker or otherwise, and in fact had been planning to sign Mathieu. They took Taylor because they had him rated as BPA and they thought they could use another CB to compete with Adebo. Apparently their ideal scenario was for a RB they wanted to fall to them in round 2, but that did not happen.

 

[IceHot]

But if we can get back to football, Underhill recently confirmed that the Saints had not planned to draft a safety, Brisker or otherwise, and in fact had been planning to sign Mathieu. They took Taylor because they had him rated as BPA and they thought they could use another CB to compete with Adebo. Apparently their ideal scenario was for a RB they wanted to fall to them in round 2, but that did not happen.

A conclusion I also believe to be true (despite my trigger phrase)

 

[DeuceMcAllisterFan]

I really think that they didn’t want to roll with a rookie since they lost both starting safeties in the same offseason. A rookie and a new young safety recovering from major foot injury isn’t the ideal situation. With both safeties signing on 3 year deals, it’ll allow the team to take their time to evaluate and find the safety of the future. It’s a good plan to be honest here.

 

[sammymvpknight]

Unless I have completely missed it, there has been no indication that the FO was interested in Brisker. Brisker's name seemed to only come up in here for mocks and then after the draft from the people who mocked him in their drafts.

I think that the Saints have put Taylor in a tough spot from the get go…much like Ruiz and Turner. Fans were incredibly skeptical from the very beginning. That’d be fine if these young players were robots…but they’re not. Psych is actually incredibly important to young athletes, and when things don’t go well things begin to unravel. A trade back would have not only increased the value the selection, but it would have lowered expectations and therefore scrutiny. It’s frustrating when fans can’t rationalize the selection, and that player either plays poorly, doesn’t get playing time, or gets hurt right away. It’s not a receipt for success.

 

[St. Widge]

I think that the Saints have put Taylor in a tough spot from the get go…much like Ruiz and Turner. Fans were incredibly skeptical from the very beginning. That’d be fine if these young players were robots…but they’re not. Psych is actually incredibly important to young athletes, and when things don’t go well things begin to unravel. A trade back would have not only increased the value the selection, but it would have lowered expectations and therefore scrutiny. It’s frustrating when fans can’t rationalize the selection, and that player either plays poorly, doesn’t get playing time, or gets hurt right away. It’s not a receipt for success.

It's possible that it's an issue, but Taylor was a team captain so I think he likely has a pretty strong character to deal with fans attacking him over things he had no control over. I mean, Marcus Williams, actually seemed like a fairly quiet and sensitive guy but he overcame the hate he got from blowing the tackle against the Vikings. Taylor should be able to deal with some loud mouth fans bagging on him.

And, I don't think any criticism of Turner is fair. Guy got hurt, but he was flashing some talent before that.

 

[ELLIASJWILLIAMS]

Jaquan Brisker reveals Saints planned to draft him in 2022

"They told me at 49 they were going to take me."

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Jaquan Brisker reveals Saints planned to draft him in 2022​

“They told me at 49 they were going to take me.”