Really, Mark Wahlberg? (2 Viewers)

[tequila]

Oh come on don't be dumb. How else do you explain tiny pieces of that plane being spread over that many miles? I'm not a conspiracy nut. I don't think this is a conspiracy. I am glad they shot it down. The people on board are still heroes. And yes OMGZ the government does lie sometimes.

 

[brandon8283]

He was supposed to be on a plane that the general consensus is we shot down in order to save a ton of other lives. I'm really not sure why or how he thinks he could have changed that.

Really?

 

[tequila]

Really?

Or so I thought until saintsreport. But I guess I can't believe everything I learned in college. I guess that's what I get for going to a state school.

 

[ruzil]

Or so I thought until saintsreport. But I guess I can't believe everything I learned in college. I guess that's what I get for going to a state school.

That's what they want you to think! Just because you're paranoid doesn't mean that they are not out to get you.

 

[FullMonte]

Or so I thought until saintsreport. But I guess I can't believe everything I learned in college. I guess that's what I get for going to a state school.

I'll go by what I've learned working for the Air Force for the past 20 years. The odds of the government sucessfully shooting down an airliner, and covering it up for 10 years are almost nil.

The airplane would have had to shoot down the airliner, then land at another base than it took off from and be rearmed (if it used a missile, the missile would have to have the same serial number as the one fired), and then it would have returned to it's original base.

Now, this would have to be done in such a manner that no Air Traffic controller would ever discuss the fact that the fighter was given instructions to divert to another base, no ground maintenance crew would ever discuss the fact that he refueled or rearmed the fighter jet (or even saw an unknown aircraft land).

Oh, and this would have to be coordinated in a matter of minutes, so that everything could be put into place so that the fighter could land, shut down, be rearmed, and take back off, and land back at it's original base without anyone wondering why it took an extra long time..

Oh, and to add one other thing...they'd have to figure out a way to explain why the plane was gone for, say 3 hours, but the engine monitors only show that they were running for 1 1/2 hours to the ground crews at home station.


And, none of that would match up to the reports by various pilots that when they took off to intercept the planes, some of them had ZERO munitions on board, and that they knew that they may have to go all Kamikaze to take down one of the airliners if necessary.

 

[jasonj]

I think there is some sort of "take offense" gene that I seem to be lacking.

 

[tequila]

I'm sure you are right. I defer to your 20 years experience with the air force. Perhaps I'd just rather think that the military could and would be able to pull it off because that makes me feel safer.

I'll go by what I've learned working for the Air Force for the past 20 years. The odds of the government sucessfully shooting down an airliner, and covering it up for 10 years are almost nil.

The airplane would have had to shoot down the airliner, then land at another base than it took off from and be rearmed (if it used a missile, the missile would have to have the same serial number as the one fired), and then it would have returned to it's original base.

Now, this would have to be done in such a manner that no Air Traffic controller would ever discuss the fact that the fighter was given instructions to divert to another base, no ground maintenance crew would ever discuss the fact that he refueled or rearmed the fighter jet (or even saw an unknown aircraft land).

Oh, and this would have to be coordinated in a matter of minutes, so that everything could be put into place so that the fighter could land, shut down, be rearmed, and take back off, and land back at it's original base without anyone wondering why it took an extra long time..

Oh, and to add one other thing...they'd have to figure out a way to explain why the plane was gone for, say 3 hours, but the engine monitors only show that they were running for 1 1/2 hours to the ground crews at home station.


And, none of that would match up to the reports by various pilots that when they took off to intercept the planes, some of them had ZERO munitions on board, and that they knew that they may have to go all Kamikaze to take down one of the airliners if necessary.

 

[Mr. Sparkle]

Hey, you never know.

James Woods spotted four of the 9.11 hijackers on a dry run in August 2001 and reported it to the FBI. Maybe if he and Marky Mark had been shooting a movie together....

 

[ruzil]

Nice save tequila

 

[Sarcastic]

I'm no conspiracy theorist, but why do people get so up in arms at the idea of our government shooting down 93?

FullMonte makes a pretty persuasive argument that it didn't happen, but I'd like to think that if the Air Force's only option to save untold thousands was to kill a couple hundred, they would do what needed to be done.

It's well known that the Air Force had plans in place to take down an airliner in that situation, and still do.

 

[FullMonte]

I'm no conspiracy theorist, but why do people get so up in arms at the idea of our government shooting down 93?

FullMonte makes a pretty persuasive argument that it didn't happen, but I'd like to think that if the Air Force's only option to save untold thousands was to kill a couple hundred, they would do what needed to be done.

It's well known that the Air Force had plans in place to take down an airliner in that situation, and still do.

My argument isn't that the Air Force wouldn't do it. My argument is that the compartmentalization required to do it, and keep it secret, simply isn't likely.

If it was necessary, the military would do it, and the president would take responsibility for issuing the orders.

 

[The Mongoose]

I'll go by what I've learned working for the Air Force for the past 20 years. The odds of the government sucessfully shooting down an airliner, and covering it up for 10 years are almost nil.

The airplane would have had to shoot down the airliner, then land at another base than it took off from and be rearmed (if it used a missile, the missile would have to have the same serial number as the one fired), and then it would have returned to it's original base.

Now, this would have to be done in such a manner that no Air Traffic controller would ever discuss the fact that the fighter was given instructions to divert to another base, no ground maintenance crew would ever discuss the fact that he refueled or rearmed the fighter jet (or even saw an unknown aircraft land).

Oh, and this would have to be coordinated in a matter of minutes, so that everything could be put into place so that the fighter could land, shut down, be rearmed, and take back off, and land back at it's original base without anyone wondering why it took an extra long time..

Oh, and to add one other thing...they'd have to figure out a way to explain why the plane was gone for, say 3 hours, but the engine monitors only show that they were running for 1 1/2 hours to the ground crews at home station.


And, none of that would match up to the reports by various pilots that when they took off to intercept the planes, some of them had ZERO munitions on board, and that they knew that they may have to go all Kamikaze to take down one of the airliners if necessary.

I mean, all this stuff could be easily subverted by government if they wanted it to be. You're talking about the highest level of our government. They could find away to explain a missing missile if they had need to.

After all, these are the people who trained Jason Bourne.

 

[FullMonte]

After all, these are the people who trained Jason Bourne.

And, the same people who can't seem to kill him, even though he's one, single man who simply wants to be left alone.

5 Reasons Anyone Could Defeat the CIA in the Bourne Trilogy | Cracked.com

 

[ruzil]

People assume that the public knows all of the military's capabilities? What about the ultra top secret invisible aircraft with a laser weapon? Food for thought?

Someone reported seeing one in the deserts out west.