Richard Todd anyone? 1984? (1 Viewer)

[Raiderfan]

Josh Dubow
@JoshDubowAP
·
Dec 3

Derek Carr is first Saints QB since Richard Todd in 1984 to start the 1st 12 games of the season and average less than 1 TD pass per game. (Todd also had 11)

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Josh Dubow

@JoshDubowAP
·
Dec 3

Came back? The Saints were losing by 12 points with 10:00 left when Carr left the game. It wasn't really that close

 

[St.Dan]

A few commonalities are 1) that both men came in from AFC teams who made the playoffs a few times with them under center but didn’t win very many of them and 2) both were/are considered hot-and-cold QBs over their careers.

 

[TenTwo]

I remember when we were talking about signing Carr, trading for Carr...what our team would look like with Carr and this defense...how all the naysayers said Carr can't win this or that....and we would counter that Carr had never had a top 20 defense ever. I would go to youtube and listen to the guy at the podium or at his church and thought "man, this dude could be the next great FA signing and all these haters will be proven wrong."

I still want to be right about that initial belief...but I have resigned myself to the idea that maybe I was the one with the rose colored glasses.

 

[SAINTSFAN]

He is a lot like Todd now that you mention it. At least we did not give up a 1st for Carr.

 

[Snakehead]

Found one.

 

[Moon]

Remember I attended a game in 1984 & the crowd totally turned on Todd & started chanting for Dave Wilson

Bum Phillips thought the quarterback was just that guy that handed it off to your RB 40 times a game

 

[Alan12]

This ain't healthy, my guy.

 

[Icon]

No lie....I thought this was about to be some tie-in to the Orwell novel.

 

[saintfan1972]

Remember I attended a game in 1984 & the crowd totally turned on Todd & started chanting for Dave Wilson

Bum Phillips thought the quarterback was just that guy that handed it off to your RB 40 times a game

And to chant for Dave Wilson, wow he didn't turn out good either lol

 

[Rexman100]

I remember when we were talking about signing Carr, trading for Carr...what our team would look like with Carr and this defense...how all the naysayers said Carr can't win this or that....and we would counter that Carr had never had a top 20 defense ever. I would go to youtube and listen to the guy at the podium or at his church and thought "man, this dude could be the next great FA signing and all these haters will be proven wrong."

I still want to be right about that initial belief...but I have resigned myself to the idea that maybe I was the one with the rose colored glasses.

I hear ya. One thing I was considering is that our D would continue to improve and thus only allow on average less than 20 points per game. Had we been able to lock down teams, we’d only need an average but consistent offense to win games. And the O would improve each week. So by the end of the season, we’d be winning game 28-6 or so. But that wasn’t the case, the D ended up relying on the sputtering offense to control the games. And that’s why we‘re still talking about the O not getting it done, when we should be talking about how terrible the D has been.

 

[Nutria]

>>Richard Todd anyone?

When I saw the title, I figured that it was going to be another former Saints QB doing a YouTube breakdown on the current offensive struggles.

 

[Yatman]

no thanks, saw him enough at the time

richard todd is the g.o.a.t. at completions to opposing teams

prefer to forget

 

[The Nomad]

And to chant for Dave Wilson, wow he didn't turn out good either lol

Definitely the pinnacle of early Saintsdom before the, um, IDK what a before "resurrection " is called. A Surection? Yeah, that.

 

[Kingston]

I remember when we were talking about signing Carr, trading for Carr...what our team would look like with Carr and this defense...how all the naysayers said Carr can't win this or that....and we would counter that Carr had never had a top 20 defense ever. I would go to youtube and listen to the guy at the podium or at his church and thought "man, this dude could be the next great FA signing and all these haters will be proven wrong."

I still want to be right about that initial belief...but I have resigned myself to the idea that maybe I was the one with the rose colored glasses.

There still could be some hope for him.

Right now he is a head case (no literal pun intended). He has been getting beat down behind a poor line, really the same line that has gotten Winston injured twice and has gotten Carr 3 concussions this year so far. He is getting booed by us everytime he touches the ball. He is replacing a once a generation, hall of famer, all time greatest Saint to ever put the jersey on. He has lost Mike Thomas, Sheed (who he had chemistry with) and he really isn’t getting anything from his TE’s. He got into a public spat with his WR1. Things are not going good for him but…….. his worst issue is he has a moron calling plays as an OC.

In the dome when I am watching the game based on formation, players in and down and distance I can tell what’s going to happen. If me as a drunken fan in the stands knows, I am sure guys that get paid to play and have watched the film studying it know darn well what’s comming.

Carr isn’t a great QB he is a decent QB. Right now we are not helping him. Love him or hate him we are stuck with him thanks to the contract. To attempt to fix him we have to get the right coaching staff in here. Last season Russel Wilson looked like wet trash. Sean Payton gets there and by mid season he looked reborn. That happened because Sean can call plays and because Sean holds him accountable. None of this is happening here.

1.) We have to get new coaches in.
2.) Must address the debacle we have as a line.
3.) need to draft a QB if it falls out right this April If not then for sure next April.
4.) find a real TE
5.) get some young blood on defense

We are looking at a legit 2 year rebuild with no guarantee we ever get there.

Right now all we are doing is treading water at the bottom of the pool. We are running out of air.

 

[Day1]

Todd and Wilson. Mr. pick and Mr. Clipboard/High and outside.