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Another reason: pedestrians glued to their phones and/or not looking where they are going

Stop. Look left, look right then cross the street

They teach you that in kindergarten

I'm amazed how many people I see just cross without a second glace, or looking up from phones
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For the past 50 years, red-blooded Americans have enjoyed a freedom the Founding Fathers hardly dreamed of: the ability to turn right on a red light. But with pedestrian fatalities at a four-decade high, a movement is afoot to change that.

This month, San Francisco supervisors unanimously voiced support for a ban on right-on-red. Last year, the practice was banned in Cambridge, Massachusetts. New York has long barred it, Denver could soon, and Washington DC has taken steps toward a ban. Seattle, meanwhile, has made no-right-on-red the city’s “default” policy at new traffic signals. A growing media chorus agrees it’s time for change.

The shift comes as pedestrian deaths in the US soar to their highest levels since 1981. Last year, at least 7,508 people were killed while walking, according to a report by the non-profit Governors Highway Safety Association, which also found a 77% increase in fatalities between 2010 and 2021.

There are many possible reasons for this, including the popularity of SUVs, more people walking in suburbs built for cars, and reckless driving that worsened during Covid. Banning right turns on red lights certainly wouldn’t eliminate all pedestrian deaths – but it could help, advocates say.……

 
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Blows my mind that people can't stay off their phones for a 15 minute drive. I will admit to using android auto to make hands free calls, but even that is pretty rare for me
 
Blows my mind that people can't stay off their phones for a 15 minute drive.
The article (at least the part in the preview) talks about the pedestrians being on their phones ... but your point is well-taken for sure.
 
The article (at least the part in the preview) talks about the pedestrians being on their phones ... but your point is well-taken for sure.
I saw that but I would think that more accidents and fatalities are caused by drivers on their phones rather than pedestrians.
 
How many pedestrians are killed by a vehicle making a right turn at a red light? I mean, that’s typically done at a pretty slow speed.
Maybe from people getting knocked over and heads hitting the pavement or (shudder) the curb? You're right that it wouldn't be 40-mph splats ... but getting taken down suddenly by a car at even 15 mph can ruin your day.
 
Hell, cars still get hit by trains that are ..... on a track. But, sure, banning right on red will solve a part of the problem where a pedestrian tourist is walking without looking where they're going, say, in New Orleans because they are shocked, SHOCKED, to find out there are cars on the roads. All those kinds of people would never survive walking in London where you have to, 1, look in the opposite way and, 2, ain't no cars or double deckers stopping for your arse.
 
Another reason: pedestrians glued to their phones and/or not looking where they are going

Stop. Look left, look right then cross the street

They teach you that in kindergarten

I'm amazed how many people I see just cross without a second glace, or looking up from phones
===========================

For the past 50 years, red-blooded Americans have enjoyed a freedom the Founding Fathers hardly dreamed of: the ability to turn right on a red light. But with pedestrian fatalities at a four-decade high, a movement is afoot to change that.

This month, San Francisco supervisors unanimously voiced support for a ban on right-on-red. Last year, the practice was banned in Cambridge, Massachusetts. New York has long barred it, Denver could soon, and Washington DC has taken steps toward a ban. Seattle, meanwhile, has made no-right-on-red the city’s “default” policy at new traffic signals. A growing media chorus agrees it’s time for change.

The shift comes as pedestrian deaths in the US soar to their highest levels since 1981. Last year, at least 7,508 people were killed while walking, according to a report by the non-profit Governors Highway Safety Association, which also found a 77% increase in fatalities between 2010 and 2021.

There are many possible reasons for this, including the popularity of SUVs, more people walking in suburbs built for cars, and reckless driving that worsened during Covid. Banning right turns on red lights certainly wouldn’t eliminate all pedestrian deaths – but it could help, advocates say.……


It could help? Certainly the substantial increase in the size and hood height of the average vehicle in the US over the past 20 years is big factor, likely more than right on red. Are we talking about making cars smaller or lowering hood heights?
 
Apparently this is a big enough issue in downtown Dallas, that there's a local commercial instructing a jay-walking pedestrian on how to properly navigate crossing an intersection, complete with observing the pedestrian lights.
 
The reality is that this is just another indicator of how self-centered and narcissistic our society has become. It's literally too much effort to not look at your phone for a couple minutes and pay attention to what is going on around you in a potentially dangerous situation
 
Wouldn't a pedestrian have the right of way over a vehicle turning right on red?

Crosswalks would usually be telling people to walk in that situation.

This is a driver problem.
 
Apparently this is a big enough issue in downtown Dallas, that there's a local commercial instructing a jay-walking pedestrian on how to properly navigate crossing an intersection, complete with observing the pedestrian lights.
We used to learn this kind of stuff in grade school.
 

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