Ross Tucker / Greg Cosell on QB's getting sacked (2 Viewers)

[Swampy Saint]

According to Cosell, the QB's that get sacked a lot in college get sacked a lot in the Pros.

Definitely worth the watch. It starts around 2:50 ish.

 

[ELLIASJWILLIAMS]

According to Cosell, the QB's that get sacked a lot in college get sacked a lot in the Pros.

Definitely worth the watch. It starts around 2:50 ish.

Intersting FWIW Rattler was sacked 5th most in NCAA in his final year. 106 times total in college good for 26.5 times a year...yikes.

Then again, I checked and in 3 years Caleb Williams was sacked 83 times. Good for 27.6 sacks a year.


Arguably Rattler was on a much weaker team at SC. So if you want to take his #'s from Oklahoma it would be 35 sacks in 2 years or 17.5 sacks a game.

IDK but as Loomis would say gotta look beyond the results. I still like the value we got on Rattler vs a premium pick for Caleb and they both have similar deficiencies w/ Caleb having superior legs/athleticism, but Spencer able to get chunk gains in his own right w/ his legs

Spencer Rattler Career Stats - NCAAF - ESPN

Complete career NCAAF stats for South Carolina Gamecocks Quarterback Spencer Rattler on ESPN. Includes scoring, rushing, defensive and receiving stats.

www.espn.com

 

[3ParStillDriver]

pocket presence is a 6th sense from knowing your Oline strength and weakness, studying and knowing the defensive players capabilities and defensive reads. If you can't do that in college, its significantly more probable you'll have less success with it in the pros.

 

[StudioSaint]

According to Cosell, the QB's that get sacked a lot in college get sacked a lot in the Pros.

Definitely worth the watch. It starts around 2:50 ish.

I was curious how Carr, Rattler and Haener college sacks compared to 2025. Rattler and Haener have a small sample size. Here are the numbers:

Carr
College 58 sacks on 1630 attempts for a 3.56% sack rate
2025 08 sacks on 279 attempts for a 2.87% sack rate.

Rattler
College 106 sacks on 1313 attempts for 8.07% sack rate
2025 22 sacks on 228 attempts for a 9.65% sack rate

Haener
College 76 sacks on 1085 attempts for a 7.00% sack rate
2025 6 sacks on 39 attempts for 15.38% sack rate

 

[ELLIASJWILLIAMS]

I was curious how Carr, Rattler and Haener college sacks compared to 2025. Rattler and Haener have a small sample size. Here are the numbers:

Carr
College 58 sacks on 1630 attempts for a 3.56% sack rate
2025 08 sacks on 279 attempts for a 2.87% sack rate.

Rattler
College 106 sacks on 1313 attempts for 8.07% sack rate
2025 22 sacks on 228 attempts for a 9.65% sack rate

Haener
College 76 sacks on 1085 attempts for a 7.00% sack rate
2025 6 sacks on 39 attempts for 15.38% sack rate

Same thought, I tried to shrink the data and did more of a comparison w/ him and Caleb, while adding a little context. It's well known his OL at SC wasn't great and neither were his receiving options. Looking at just his Oklahoma data those #'s shrink considerably.

 

[StudioSaint]

Same thought, I tried to shrink the data and did more of a comparison w/ him and Caleb, while adding a little context. It's well known his OL at SC wasn't great and neither were his receiving options. Looking at just his Oklahoma data those #'s shrink considerably.

Rattler with OK split out from SC

OK 35 sacks on 515 attempts for a 6.80% sack rate
SC 71 sacks on 798 attempts for a 8.90% sack rate

His sack totals were lower at OK, but so were his attempts. He had about a 30% lower sack rate at OK, but he still had almost double the sack rate that Carr did in college.

 

[3ParStillDriver]

Rattler with OK split out from SC

OK 35 sacks on 515 attempts for a 6.80% sack rate
SC 71 sacks on 798 attempts for a 8.90% sack rate

His sack totals were lower at OK, but so were his attempts. He had about a 30% lower sack rate at OK, but he still had almost double the sack rate that Carr did in college.

Interesting. Have you considered looking at the top 10 performing QB's in the NFL and comparing it to their college years?

Then run those same numbers on this draft's QB class?

Would be extremely interesting to see. I just don't have the time

Seems like Rattler's OU years might still be high, but we won't know without a larger sample size.

 

[StudioSaint]

Interesting. Have you considered looking at the top 10 performing QB's in the NFL and comparing it to their college years?

Then run those same numbers on this draft's QB class?

Would be extremely interesting to see. I just don't have the time

Seems like Rattler's OU years might still be high, but we won't know without a larger sample size.

Cosell said that several teams have conducted statistical studies ranging over a 25 year period and they found that QB's who get sacked at a higher rate in college also get sacked at a higher rate in the pros. So the work has already been done.

It took me about an hour to find the stats for Carr, Rattler and Haener and then plug them into a spreadsheet. The college splits for Rattler was quicker, because I just had to edit the spreadsheet real quick. I don't have to time to do what you mentioned. Underhill seems to be a stat geek and he gets paid to be one, so maybe send him a note. I mean that sincerely and respectfully.

Some people say Carr isn't a good QB, so I would think that it would be expected that the good QB's have a lower sack rate than Carr. That might be a little bit of measuring stick.

This is one of those things that isn't common knowledge to fans, but it is to the teams and it will effect how they grade and rank the QB's. Rattler's high sack rate

 

[StudioSaint]

Okay, one last one just for some comparison.

Caleb Williams
83 sacks on 1099 attempts for a 7.55% sack rate

There's a insignificant difference between Caleb Williams' sack rate and Rattler's OK only sack rate. Cossell said in the video that Caleb Williams gets sacked a lot, so I wouldn't draft him if I were the Saints. I also wouldn't count on Rattler getting any better. He's on the team, so give him a chance to improve as a backup, but I wouldn't hold my breath waiting for it to happen. The same goes for Haener.

Sacks tend to be drive killers like offensive holding calls are. A 7% sack rate means that on average a QB is going to get sacked once per 2 to 3 drives. That creates a significant disadvantage for an offense team to overcome. And that's before factoring in that a percentage of those sacks leads to lost
fumbles.

EDIT: I totally got Caleb Williams and Cam Ward mixed up. I'll be back with Cam Ward's numbers.

Cam Ward
156 sacks on 2329 attempts for a 6.70% sack rate

Cam Ward is who Cosell said got sacked a lot. He said Sanders did too. I have a hunch that teams overlook the sacks, because of their athleticism. It seems that's a mistake.

Check out this QB's college sack stats:

60 sacks on 1936 attempts for a 3.10% sack rate

That's none other than Bo Nix. If I were the Saints I'd stay away from any QB with a higher sack rate until the 3rd round at the earliest, but I won't second guess them if they take one earlier. It's not an exact science.

 

[3ParStillDriver]

Cosell said that several teams have conducted statistical studies ranging over a 25 year period and they found that QB's who get sacked at a higher rate in college also get sacked at a higher rate in the pros. So the work has already been done.

It took me about an hour to find the stats for Carr, Rattler and Haener and then plug them into a spreadsheet. The college splits for Rattler was quicker, because I just had to edit the spreadsheet real quick. I don't have to time to do what you mentioned. Underhill seems to be a stat geek and he gets paid to be one, so maybe send him a note. I mean that sincerely and respectfully.

Some people say Carr isn't a good QB, so I would think that it would be expected that the good QB's have a lower sack rate than Carr. That might be a little bit of measuring stick.

This is one of those things that isn't common knowledge to fans, but it is to the teams and it will effect how they grade and rank the QB's. Rattler's high sack rate

Yup, I get it. Makes sense. Can't blame you for having responsibilities away from the saints forum. Kuddos for taking what time you already have on it, which is far more then I would've.

 

[StudioSaint]

Yup, I get it. Makes sense. Can't blame you for having responsibilities away from the saints forum. Kuddos for taking what time you already have on it, which is far more then I would've.

My curiosity got the best of me so I did a few more players for comparison in some additional posts.