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[UFCSaint]

And a comparison of Winston and Carr's first 6 weeks:

 

[sfidc3]

Right, he erratic(ed) his way to a 4-2 record and a better than 4-1 TD-INT ratio.....I'd take that right now any day

Above is what I stated and trumps any other cherry picked stats....Also, it was apparent during the last few games CSP was starting to trust JW throwing the ball more often, his attempts were increasing as the season went on.....

You seem to think we have to prove he was perfect.....of course he was not, he still had stuff to work on but was vastly improving under CSP and the notion that he wouldn't continue to improve somehow is illogical.....JW was trending positive before he got hurt, to deny that is to deny reality.....

 

[inetnawlins]

And a comparison of Winston and Carr's first 6 weeks:

The sad truth is both of our quarterbacks have been erratic as hell. The arguments are basically over which one is the least bad.

 

[jahsoul357]

The stats you posted are good information but it feels like cherry picking. Every quarterback is going to look better taking out throwing when hit or batted balls, etc. Doing that assumes it wasn’t the quarterback’s fault. Was he hit or ball batted because he waited too long to throw? Who knows? That’s why the standard stats applied to all are the marker used to rate quarterbacks.

Can't cherry pick a legit stat/metric.

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Adjusted completion percentage takes into account factors outside of the quarterback's control in terms of completing passes. It accounts for dropped passes, passes thrown away, spiked balls, passes batted at the line of scrimmage and those passes in which a quarterback was hit as he threw. Ultimately, this gives a real indication of completion percentage on passes that can actually be caught, as opposed to a quarterback's completion percentage for a given game being tarnished by a load of receiver drops or other factors.

So we can use adjusted passer rating to determine how much of the incompletions were outside of QBs 'control" and provides a little more context to how much was really on the QB. So when we really break down Winston's 2021 and Carr's 2023

Winston 2021:
95/161 59%
105/147 71.4
12.4% variance

Carr 2023:
353/520 67.9
373/493 75.7
7.8% variance


And this doesn't even take into account things such as IAY/PA and CAY/PA, the fact that 2021 receivers were at or near the bottom of the league in separation while Olave and Shid are the total opposite, etc. There was a lot more nuance to that 2021 season and it sometimes shows that a lot of us missed the forest for the trees.

Unfortunately that is what the Winstonites do....just throw out bold statements, without any facts or data to back them up. For grins I decided to look at Carr's first 6 weeks and it was about as I expected, erratic as well. For the record,

You are saying all of these but still can't acknowledge that data that was put up showing that we had a top 10 QB in 2021...imagine that.

The sad truth is both of our quarterbacks have been erratic as hell. The arguments are basically over which one is the least bad.

If you noticed, I'm not saying anything about them being erratic, but I'm speaking to the season as a whole. Why? Using those stats to say that a QB is erratic is a slippery slope. One request to UFCSaint will have the goalpost moving.

 

[Jesse Custer]

At this point, I'm not sure if people are trying to discredit Jameis or Payton. Anyone who doesn't think that '21 season was one of the greatest coaching jobs in Saints history is lying to themselves. 9-8 with those receivers, that many QBs, that many injuries?

 

[sfidc3]

At this point, I'm not sure if people are trying to discredit Jameis or Payton. Anyone who doesn't think that '21 season was one of the greatest coaching jobs in Saints history is lying to themselves. 9-8 with those receivers, that many QBs, that many injuries?

Yup, the Jameis "detractors" almost universally dismiss the fact that what Jameis had to work with was far inferior to what we have now.....

 

[UFCSaint]

So since I have head that Carr has improved since the start of the year (I haven't really seen Carr play much over the past month so I couldn't say), I decided to make another graph showing his stats in weeks 1-6 and in weeks 12-17. It does appear that he got better so I'm not sure if the OL got better, Carr was healthy, Carr got more comfortable, PC's play calling got better, or the level of talent was just not great...it's very possible that it is a combination of all of those factors. Anyway this is what it looked like: