Saints Cap Moves: $28,318,521 cap space ….. 8 restructures, 3 extensions, 3 pay cut, 1 release [All current cap moves are in OP]

[Elvis]

Just pencil in Saints 2027 in your calendar.

It would of been nice to cut a deal with Carr to cut him and tank for QB. 2026 would of been exciting with a rookie QB.

We'll do the same thing we been doing. Win 7-9 games. Get a mid draft pick. Make excuses for injuries. Rinse. Repeat.

Mediocrity is going to be Loomis' legacy. Payton and Brees will get all of the credit for the good years. The non-Payton Saints record under Loomis is 49-66 and I don't see that changing much while he's still with the team. We'll just have to wait him out.

 

[nakadish]

Curious to see what the new offensive regime/HC thinks of Kendre.

I'm sure it will be the same as everyone else, "wish he could stay healthy."

 

[St. Geezy]

Oh, so you’re all about win now? Well, I totally disagree with that position. This team should not be thinking of going all in this year. You’re right, I totally misread what you were saying.

We don’t need to go “all in” per se. We just need to make roster improvements while being responsible with who we select.

Your salary cap “landing zone” for 2026/2027 isn’t changing as drastically as it is being characterized by trying to win now.

As I and others have indicated, including Nick and Trip on occasion…you’d basically be throwing a year just for the sake of throwing a year; there’s very little benefit to throwing in the towel on 2025.

 

[Taker597]

So it seems you’re not buying St. Geezy and TulsaSaint’s argument that this was the only move they could do (if Carr was unwilling to take a pay cut), because letting him walk would cause the Saints to kick the can even more just to field a team this year?

Let's say... The team was winless without Carr.

You cut a deal where he drop his base pay to $5 million and you cut him. You use that cap space($25 million) and the $30 million next year you saved to re-tool the roster around the QB.

You still have a QB problem, but a much better team. You take those loses and turn them into a high quality QB prospect in 2026 with roster that far ahead of whatever half way contender that they are trying to build right now.

Instead... We are just going to push all that back another year. We are going to try to win a bad division. Which we haven't been able to do for 3 seasons.

We are trying to be the 2022 Giants if anything is more apparent. Granted... 2023 and 2024 haven't been kind to the Giants either. Long term... It's bleak

 

[dtpham]

Let's say... The team was winless without Carr.

You cut a deal where he drop his base pay to $5 million and you cut him. You use that cap space($25 million) and the $30 million next year you saved to re-tool the roster around the QB.

You still have a QB problem, but a much better team. You take those loses and turn them into a high quality QB prospect in 2026 with roster that far ahead of whatever half way contender that they are trying to build right now.

Instead... We are just going to push all that back another year. We are going to try to win a bad division. Which we haven't been able to do for 3 seasons.

We are trying to be the 2022 Giants if anything is more apparent. Granted... 2023 and 2024 haven't been kind to the Giants either. Long term... It's bleak

Even more that there was an opportunity for both sides to separate but Moore didn’t want that. Unreal. If he’s not going to be here after this year, why keep him?

 

[Tulsa Saint]

We don’t need to go “all in” per se. We just need to make roster improvements while being responsible with who we select.

Your salary cap “landing zone” for 2026/2027 isn’t changing as drastically as it is being characterized by trying to win now.

As I and others have indicated, including Nick and Trip on occasion…you’d basically be throwing a year just for the sake of throwing a year; there’s very little benefit to throwing in the towel on 2025.

One thing I think we can all surely agree upon:

We need to draft much much better over the next 2 or 3 drafts. We BADLY need another dozen plus starters/contributors like we got in the 2016-17 drafts.

We have to set up whomever is under center for success through better drafting.

 

[BlackNGoldblood]

Let's say... The team was winless without Carr.

You cut a deal where he drop his base pay to $5 million and you cut him. You use that cap space($25 million) and the $30 million next year you saved to re-tool the roster around the QB.

You still have a QB problem, but a much better team. You take those loses and turn them into a high quality QB prospect in 2026 with roster that far ahead of whatever half way contender that they are trying to build right now.

Instead... We are just going to push all that back another year. We are going to try to win a bad division. Which we haven't been able to do for 3 seasons.

We are trying to be the 2022 Giants if anything is more apparent. Granted... 2023 and 2024 haven't been kind to the Giants either. Long term... It's bleak

If you’ve read my takes in here, you’ll know I totally agree, however, I respect the opinion of TulsaSaint as well, who thinks not restructuring Carr would kick the can down the road even more than cutting him would. I don’t understand when you talk about saving $55 million in cap space by cutting him after a pay cut. I didn’t think that was possible.

 

[NEBaghead]

Let's say... The team was winless without Carr.

You cut a deal where he drop his base pay to $5 million and you cut him. You use that cap space($25 million) and the $30 million next year you saved to re-tool the roster around the QB.

You still have a QB problem, but a much better team. You take those loses and turn them into a high quality QB prospect in 2026 with roster that far ahead of whatever half way contender that they are trying to build right now.

Instead... We are just going to push all that back another year. We are going to try to win a bad division. Which we haven't been able to do for 3 seasons.

We are trying to be the 2022 Giants if anything is more apparent. Granted... 2023 and 2024 haven't been kind to the Giants either. Long term... It's bleak

Why do people think a high pick QB is a sure thing QB.

 

[Taker597]

Even more that there was an opportunity for both sides to separate but Moore didn’t want that. Unreal. If he’s not going to be here after this year, why keep him?

It really is a weird situation to say the least.

 

[StudioSaint]

Interesting that Carr was pushing to be cut/traded but Moore wanted to keep him.

I think "explore the market" means he wanted to see what his market value was before actually renegotiating the contract, similar to what Stafford and the Rams did. I don't think it necessarily means Carr wanted to leave the team. He might have wanted to leave, but he might have just wanted to find out his market value before doing a new contract.

 

[Taker597]

Why do people think a high pick QB is a sure thing QB.

We haven't drafted a 1st round QB since 1971. The longest active drought in the NFL. How did that work out for us till 2006?

You probably won't ever see a HOF QB entering their prime come available again in your lifetime.

That just leaves drafting one.

 

[Taker597]

I think "explore the market" means he wanted to see what his market value was before actually renegotiating the contract, similar to what Stafford and the Rams did. I don't think it necessarily means Carr wanted to leave the team. He might have wanted to leave, but he might have just wanted to find out his market value before doing a new contract.

That's an interesting argument. I can see that.

 

[StudioSaint]

That 100% sounds like caving. You wanted to keep Carr on a pay cut. He refused said pay cut. You restructure and give him all his money.

Please provide a link to Loomis, or anyone else on the Saints staff, saying they wanted Carr to take a paycut.

Triplett, Underhill, other repeaters and a lot of fans here wanted Carr to take a paycut, but as far as I know, not a single person who works for the Saints said they expected Carr to take a paycut.

A lot of assumptions with very little to zero substance to substantiate it.

 

[B4YOU]

OTC has updated info. I hate that we rolled all 30M to next year. I was hoping for a 20M push with a Jordan/Hill restructure/retirement.