Saints Cap Moves: $28,318,521 cap space ….. 8 restructures, 3 extensions, 3 pay cut, 1 release [All current cap moves are in OP]

[Taker597]

 

[Tulsa Saint]

I think "explore the market" means he wanted to see what his market value was before actually renegotiating the contract, similar to what Stafford and the Rams did. I don't think it necessarily means Carr wanted to leave the team. He might have wanted to leave, but he might have just wanted to find out his market value before doing a new contract.

I wonder what Geno and Darnold get

Will it be 45-50 mil avg?

 

[StudioSaint]

That's an interesting argument. I can see that.

It's a possibility. It's also a possibility that Carr wanted to move on.

 

[nakadish]

Aside from the financial ramifications, this is the other part people just fail to want to accept. Our coach, who has watched actual film and has a better idea than anyone how Carr’s game could translate, actually wants the player, and the player is not as bad as he’s characterized as.

Like what makes this player so god awful to where people are acting like they want to jump off a bridge behind this news? Like we just gave the worst QB in the history of the league a new guaranteed $50 million a year deal or something.

He ate at Chipotle.

 

[StudioSaint]

I wonder what Geno and Darnold get

Will it be 45-50 mil avg?

It's possible Carr's current contract is good value relative to the current market.

 

[Elvis]

OTC has updated info. I hate that we rolled all 30M to next year. I was hoping for a 20M push with a Jordan/Hill restructure/retirement.

We didn't roll all $30 million, we rolled all $40 million. He had a $10 million roster bonus that got restructured and that is why his cap number is league minimum base plus his prorated signing bonus. They kicked every bit of that can they could get their foot on. Even Grupe would be impressed with Loomis' foot.

 

[Snakehead]

If CKM wants to roll with Carr, then we roll with Carr. It's as simple as that. He's already said he builds his offense to the strengths of his players. Carr is on the roster and better than any rookie would be coming in, so it was a pretty easy decision.

I trust CKM'S opinion of a QB over any poster on here no matter how many different ways they say Carr sucks or his teammates hate him. All he has to do is win and people will change their opinion.

Carr is not the answer long term, but he's the bridge for now. Now that we know who the QB will be for 2025 and probably 2026, the FO can focus on building the team around him to move forward.

 

[nakadish]

So what does Alvin’s tweet mean?

Maybe it means that he's snowboarding?

Just because it's cryptic doesn't mean that it's hateful.

 

[texasjefe]

Reality: It was going to be 2027 when the cap is cleaned up, to not be an albatross. I've said that all along.

Good news: The decision's been made, the team can move forward. Fanbase too. You hope Moore + Carr will improve Carr and normalize away his annual shirtshow persona. Remember, Carr does not go to the playoffs and Carr does not beat good teams. He hits a bomb TD alot in games, but not much more. He is not mobile and Moore will want mobil e in the future. We're not rehashing the 'is Carr responsible for that or someone else/other things?' We have a career of data that no Carr apologist can refute. The new variable is Moore.

Good news: They got the contract under better control with the $10M cap savings over dead cap if they jettison his butt out of here in a year.

People's assumptions: This could've simply been a this year or next year business decision. I would not assume things like..

'Moore WANTED Carr,'

'we're loading up for bear on Free Agency - the new cap space may just have been a necessity, not a luxury.' We'll see soon.

'Saints and /or Carr seriously negotiated other options, the pay cut, extension, etc.. Frankly, good for Carr helping Mickey to just make a clean decision and restructure, with no impact beyond 2026.

'we're drafting a QB early in April draft' - let's just see how the roster changes further by Wednesday, and in FA which will immediately follow.'

Twitter: @St. Geezy , if you're gonna punch down on Saints twitter, at least embed some tweets so we can see who and what you're referring to. The fact that you go after them like that alot sounds like a you-problem. Such that you don't know what you're doing on twitter like Taker. I, and others do, -- i.e. which Saints media/fans to read and/or spend your time with - and which ones to reflexively filter out.

 

[ELLIASJWILLIAMS]

We don’t need to go “all in” per se. We just need to make roster improvements while being responsible with who we select.

Your salary cap “landing zone” for 2026/2027 isn’t changing as drastically as it is being characterized by trying to win now.

As I and others have indicated, including Nick and Trip on occasion…you’d basically be throwing a year just for the sake of throwing a year; there’s very little benefit to throwing in the towel on 2025.

There’s only one position the Saints should go “all in” for, that’s QB. If they truly felt injuries held this team back it means that they think they can win w/ the team close to as it is now, just with some tweaks but mostly good health.

That line of thinking says less about the team itself and more about just how weak they feel this division is.

 

[StudioSaint]

Last year, the Saints didn't ask Carr to take a paycut. They restructured and were happy to pay him at that rate. This year, after their 2nd season w/ him, were unwilling to pay him at that price and approached about a paycut.

Can you provide a link to a source that someone on the Saints staff said they wanted Carr to take a paycut.

All I ever saw were people speculating about how the Saints were going to ask him to take a paycut or that they should ask him to take a pay cut.

Loomis said Carr was staying and they had to work out his contract. People assumed that meant the Saints were asking him to take a paycut.

There are a lot of possible things that could have been worked out on his contract that aren't paycuts.

 

[rlemieux]

Mickey been doubling down on bad contract after bad contract. House always wins. I know we “had” to do this but we had to because we signed him in the first place and then restructured him the first time. Mickeys gonna crash soon and take the Saints hope with him.

 

[ELLIASJWILLIAMS]

NewOrleans.Football

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Like I said in my now deleted thread. The fanbase is disenchanted w/ Carr and Carr the fanbase. He’s here because he’s being paid, that’s always been clear and was made more clear by him declining to take a paycuy.

He hasn’t embraced the city and the city will continue to not embrace him. Winning will make him tolerable but it won’t make him more liked

Peter Finney once called Mike Ditka a “visitor to New Orleans.” That feels like it fits here. At least for now. Carr might not even be interested in connecting with the fan base at this point. He might just be here to play football and get stats and try to win games. If he connects with his teammates and his coaches, and that leads to better production, that’s ultimately all that matters.

Can you provide a link to a source that someone on the Saints staff said they wanted Carr to take a paycut.

All I ever saw were people speculating about how the Saints were going to ask him to take a paycut or that they should ask him to take a pay cut.

Loomis said Carr was staying and they had to work out his contract. People assumed that meant the Saints were asking him to take a paycut.

There are a lot of possible things that could have been worked out on his contract that aren't paycuts.

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[Nolan]

Feels so weird man. It kind of sucks that there was a few weeks of hope and excitement, that we're finally turning to a new chapter. But ultimately we're just doing the same stuff that we've been doing. It's just odd. There's just nothing exciting about this, whatsoever.