Saints Cap Moves: Derek Carr restructured, Erik McCoy restructured; J. Williams released; cap space is at -$8,543,537 (126 Viewers)

[Boy_of_wonder75]

Because they just converted his salary. Thats why.

What was suggested? By whom?

 

[St. Geezy]

So called "sports reporters" act a lot more like influencers these days than they do actual reporters. They are all more heavily invested in coming across as experts and telling people what they should think. They all get really testy when teams, coaches and players don't do what they've spent a lot of time preaching that they should do.

I think it's because it undermines their credibility and if they lose that, then they lose their job. That's a lot of stress to be under, so I get why they get so upset and lash out at people who don't do what they've been telling everyone that those people should do.

This goes for more than just sports reporters. At some point people began believing that their way is the best way to run/fix a football team and when the team doesn’t follow their exact lead, all hell breaks loose and tantrums get thrown. It wasn’t always like this.

 

[ELLIASJWILLIAMS]

Is carr better than hurts ? Eagles O line better? Yes can Kellen Moore create more offense plays for Carr and the offense? End a weak division.

Carr is who he is at this point. You can win w/ him, you won't win because of him.

 

[Thunderchild]

Honestly, I don't. I respond to maybe 10% of your posts. The only time I've asked you and others for a source is when you make claims that I haven't seen supported in any actual reports.

You aren't even the first person I asked to please provide a source that says the Saints told someone they were asking Carr to take a paycut. You seem to be personalizing something that isn't personal.


When I hear someone say something like this, it almost always means that they realize they can't actually find a source that supports what they are saying, because they misread their original source.


That's unnecessary and unfortunate.

You know, you've been here since 2003. Ever take the time to read the site rules? Since I can post something from the site rules (you can find that on your own) so, see this:

"Stories/articles from pay sites can be described in the posters own words and a link provided but should not be directly quoted. This will ensure we avoid having potential problems with copyright infringement."

So subscribe to read neworleans.football, or take people's words for what is on that site. If you don't want to subscribe, read what he has that is free or do without the info. But no one needs to (or even can) quote stuff behind a paywall for you.

 

[BlackNGoldblood]

Now, Carr's cap hit next year will be close to $70M, bad way to do business.

Kick that can.

$60 million if they cut him after this season.

 

[WhoDat6278]

They tried to what? He doesn't say what they tried to do.

What do you think Underhill means when he says there was some effort to work different things out with Carr?

 

[soggymoss84]

I think "explore the market" means he wanted to see what his market value was before actually renegotiating the contract, similar to what Stafford and the Rams did. I don't think it necessarily means Carr wanted to leave the team. He might have wanted to leave, but he might have just wanted to find out his market value before doing a new contract.

Straight from the article

“Although it felt like Carr himself might be interested in a change of scenery, the Saints essentially wound up exercising their contract rights with a “simple,” garden-variety contract restructure four days before the start of the new league year.”

 

[DSnfla]

So, because we had a HOF QB for 15 years (out of the 50+ years referenced) that’s justification for not taking a QB in the 1st round? Brilliant logic.

SMH 1st you don't take a QB in rd 1 if you don't have a need for one. 2nd , you don't reach for a QB in rd 1 if the value is not there.
We did use a 1st rd pick on Dave Wilson in 81. We also traded away a 1,2 and 3 for Walsh. Drafting a QB in the 1st rd just to say you did it is idiotic

 

[BlackNGoldblood]

You know, you've been here since 2003. Ever take the time to read the site rules? Since I can post something from the site rules (you can find that on your own) so, see this:

"Stories/articles from pay sites can be described in the posters own words and a link provided but should not be directly quoted. This will ensure we avoid having potential problems with copyright infringement."

So subscribe to read neworleans.football, or take people's words for what is on that site. If you don't want to subscribe, read what he has that is free or do without the info. But no one needs to (or even can) quote stuff behind a paywall for you.

I actually didn’t know that was the current rule. Did that change fairly recently, because I’ve been here a long time and always remember one quoted paragraph from a pay article was okay?

 

[ELLIASJWILLIAMS]

What do you think Underhill means when he says there was some effort to work different things out with Carr?

Man, explaining that is pointless. If all they wanted to do was restructure Carr it's already written into his contract that they can do so.

However, in Mickey's scouting combine interview he hinted that they had to do "Something about his contract" There's literally no need to say that if the inteded plan was ever to just do a standard restructure.

It's pretty apparent they appraoched him about doing something "other" than a standard restructure and they just settled on that. If people can't come to that conclusion on their own w/ the data provided it's because they don't want to.

 

[WhoDat6278]

SMH 1st you don't take a QB in rd 1 if you don't have a need for one. 2nd , you don't reach for a QB in rd 1 if the value is not there.
We did use a 1st rd pick on Dave Wilson in 81. We also traded away a 1,2 and 3 for Walsh. Drafting a QB in the 1st rd just to say you did it is idiotic

We’ve needed one since 2017, when everyone knew Brees was almost done. Why do you think Payton wanted Mahomes?

 

[Goatman Saint]

In l

Now, Carr's cap hit next year will be close to $70M, bad way to do business.

Kick that can.

70 million for a stopgap QB on a rebuilding team. Loomis hit the jackpot here

 

[JackDiesel]

Man, explaining that is pointless. If all they wanted to do was restructure Carr it's already written into his contract that they can do so.

However, in Mickey's scouting combine interview he hinted that they had to do "Something about his contract" There's literally no need to say that if the inteded plan was ever to just do a standard restructure.

It's pretty apparent they appraoched him about doing something "other" than a standard restructure and they just settled on that. If people can't come to that conclusion on their own w/ the data provided it's because they don't want to.

Yep. They could have worked something out that would have lowered his cap numbers over the next couple years but maximized his guaranteed money. A win win for everyone. Carr isn't about that though and apparently just wanted out, so we just went with our only option to be able to free up enough money to compete, the built in restructure.

 

[St. Geezy]

Reality: It was going to be 2027 when the cap is cleaned up, to not be an albatross. I've said that all along.

Good news: The decision's been made, the team can move forward. Fanbase too. You hope Moore + Carr will improve Carr and normalize away his annual shirtshow persona. Remember, Carr does not go to the playoffs and Carr does not beat good teams. He hits a bomb TD alot in games, but not much more. He is not mobile and Moore will want mobil e in the future. We're not rehashing the 'is Carr responsible for that or someone else/other things?' We have a career of data that no Carr apologist can refute. The new variable is Moore.

Good news: They got the contract under better control with the $10M cap savings over dead cap if they jettison his butt out of here in a year.

People's assumptions: This could've simply been a this year or next year business decision. I would not assume things like..

'Moore WANTED Carr,'

'we're loading up for bear on Free Agency - the new cap space may just have been a necessity, not a luxury.' We'll see soon.

'Saints and /or Carr seriously negotiated other options, the pay cut, extension, etc.. Frankly, good for Carr helping Mickey to just make a clean decision and restructure, with no impact beyond 2026.

'we're drafting a QB early in April draft' - let's just see how the roster changes further by Wednesday, and in FA which will immediately follow.'

Twitter: @St. Geezy , if you're gonna punch down on Saints twitter, at least embed some tweets so we can see who and what you're referring to. The fact that you go after them like that alot sounds like a you-problem. Such that you don't know what you're doing on twitter like Taker. I, and others do, -- i.e. which Saints media/fans to read and/or spend your time with - and which ones to reflexively filter out.

You do realize that all commenters are visible regardless of who you follow, right? Hell, even some of the so called sports reporters we all follow are throwing temper tantrums this evening, intentionally fanning the flames for clicks. Don’t act so obtuse about what’s happening. Come on now.

 

[WhoDat6278]

Not sure why we continue to debate Carr on this page. He’s a mid QB who you can win with, but not because of. He needs everything around him to be perfect to have a serious shot at a championship (and that’s being kind). Yet, he’s unwilling to take a pay cut that would improve the chances of that happening.

Winston was a below average QB but the fans embraced him because he embraced us and the city. Carr talks a good game but delivers little and has shown he doesn’t give a damn about New Orleans. It doesn’t help when his brothers consistently spout nonsense on social media either.

The usual homers on here can continue to defend him but the sooner he’s off this team the better. 8-9 seasons might excite some, but no thank you.