Saints Draft Re-do 2020 (2 Viewers)

[SweetT]

McCoy primarily played guard at aTm.

The 2019 Saints signed Nick Easton after Max Unger retired, with plans to play him at C. It’s possible they were planning to shop Armstead, who had missed six games and didn’t finish two others in both 2017 and 2018, and move Peat to LT as his rookie contract drew to a close. That would have been McCoy’s opening at LG, leaving an OL of Peat-McCoy-Easton-Warford-Ramczyk.

With Armstead remaining in the mix then playing 15/16 games, Peat never moved outside. Easton didn’t win the job, but then Warford was let go. Drafting Ruiz in 2020 to move McCoy to LG would have given Peat-Armstead-Ruiz-McCoy-Ramczyk as the plan, but Covid-19 messed that up so they rolled with McCoy at C and slotted Ruiz at RG.

If this all checks out, it looks like their plan was mainly marred by circumstance.

I believe this is correct. However, why force a pick if need, when the best football player in the nation (Johnathan Taylor) was available and Tee Higgins? Not saying that Ruiz hasn’t been a good addition, but there were ready to go players on deck and we went with a “need” pick. I dislike thinking about hypotheticals, but i sometimes wonder what could’ve been in the 2020 playoffs, if we had Taylor or Higgins?!?!

 

[St. Widge]

I believe this is correct. However, why force a pick if need, when the best football player in the nation (Johnathan Taylor) was available and Tee Higgins? Not saying that Ruiz hasn’t been a good addition, but there were ready to go players on deck and we went with a “need” pick. I dislike thinking about hypotheticals, but i sometimes wonder what could’ve been in the 2020 playoffs, if we had Taylor or Higgins?!?!

I'll always wonder if Payton didn't go into the draft knowing that he was going to retire after the 2021 season so he just drafted guys at need positions to fill holes for one last shot at making the playoffs. It seems likely it was short term thinking and not thinking about the future that led the team to draft for need and only draft 4 players.

 

[SAINT BIGAL]

What could have been. Stop torturing yourself.

 

[AARPSaint]

What could have been. Stop torturing yourself.

Yes, but let’s hope the front office learns from its mistakes. We as fans can enjoy torturing ourselves.

 

[SweetT]

I'll always wonder if Payton didn't go into the draft knowing that he was going to retire after the 2021 season so he just drafted guys at need positions to fill holes for one last shot at making the playoffs. It seems likely it was short term thinking and not thinking about the future that led the team to draft for need and only draft 4 players.

Not sure, that was a weird tough year all around, for obvious reasons.

 

[DSnfla]

LOL Almost every team every yr at almost every pick ( I said almost) can do that ridiculous game of " this guy was picked after our pick " and find a much better player. And for those BPA proponents. Teams do NOT pick just BPA, it's the BPA at a position of need. Even Underhill believes that

 

[DSnfla]

I'll always wonder if Payton didn't go into the draft knowing that he was going to retire after the 2021 season so he just drafted guys at need positions to fill holes for one last shot at making the playoffs. It seems likely it was short term thinking and not thinking about the future that led the team to draft for need and only draft 4 players.

I always thought that SP was different after the 2019 NFCCG . There were rumors that he wanted to step down or maybe go somewhere else like Mia.
My guess is that he felt that he needed a team with a more powerful owner so Dodgey Rodger couldn't mess with him. Just like he has now in Den. Ole Rodggie ain't gonna mess with the Wal-Mart power

 

[kennydfresh]

Re-Drafting without Trades .. selecting at same pick order

No. # Round Pick # Player Name Position College​

2020​	1​	1​	24​	24​	Cesar Ruiz​	C​	Michigan​
	2​	3​	10​	74​	Zack Baun​	LB​	Wisconsin​
	3​	3​	41​	105​	Adam Trautman​	TE​	Dayton​
	4​	7​	26​	240​	Tommy Stevens​	QB​	Mississippi State​

Better pick @24 QB Jordan Love - Utah State (Selected #26 by Green Bay Packers) or WR Brandon Aiyuk - Arizona State (Selected #25 by SF 49res)
Better pick @74 OG Jonah Jackson - Ohio State (Selected #75 by Detroit Lions) or stay with Zack Baun
Better pick @105 T/OG Michael Onwenu - Michigan (Selected #182 by NE Patriots)
Better pick @240 N/A

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What you guys think? for discussion

That Tommy Steven pick never made sense to me. CSP did it to make sure the Panthers didn't get him, then he got cut and went to them anyways. Like what?

 

[Saint KayBee]

I believe this is correct. However, why force a pick if need, when the best football player in the nation (Johnathan Taylor) was available and Tee Higgins? Not saying that Ruiz hasn’t been a good addition, but there were ready to go players on deck and we went with a “need” pick. I dislike thinking about hypotheticals, but i sometimes wonder what could’ve been in the 2020 playoffs, if we had Taylor or Higgins?!?!

I agree with you, and don’t know what decisions about the OL/keeping Brees protected affected which decisions. Having a guy like Aiyuk or Higgins on this roster would be very nice. Maybe they wind up keeping Easton, and maybe the answer at IOL woulda been a fifth rounder instead of giving up half the farm for Trautman.

 

[blackjack]

McCoy primarily played guard at aTm.

The 2019 Saints signed Nick Easton after Max Unger retired, with plans to play him at C. It’s possible they were planning to shop Armstead, who had missed six games and didn’t finish two others in both 2017 and 2018, and move Peat to LT as his rookie contract drew to a close. That would have been McCoy’s opening at LG, leaving an OL of Peat-McCoy-Easton-Warford-Ramczyk.

With Armstead remaining in the mix then playing 15/16 games, Peat never moved outside. Easton didn’t win the job, but then Warford was let go. Drafting Ruiz in 2020 to move McCoy to LG would have given Peat-Armstead-Ruiz-McCoy-Ramczyk as the plan, but Covid-19 messed that up so they rolled with McCoy at C and slotted Ruiz at RG.

If this all checks out, it looks like their plan was mainly marred by circumstance.

McCoy started 39 games at Texas A&M- 2 at Guard and 37 at Center.

Ruiz started 31 games at Michigan- 5 at Right Guard and 26 at Center.

They signed Easton in free agency (before the draft) because they couldn’t go into the season without a center on the team, but then jumped at the chance to trade up for McCoy especially with Easton’s injury history. McCoy wasn’t primarily a Guard in college.

 

[SweetT]

I always thought that SP was different after the 2019 NFCCG . There were rumors that he wanted to step down or maybe go somewhere else like Mia.
My guess is that he felt that he needed a team with a more powerful owner so Dodgey Rodger couldn't mess with him. Just like he has now in Den. Ole Rodggie ain't gonna mess with the Wal-Mart power

Thank you. I mentioned awhile back, that I saw an interview with SP, and he said something to the effect, that the Broncos owners had “power”. No one on here seems to remember that interview, but I do remember seeing it. I tried locating it, but couldn’t find it. I vaguely remember the interviewer was Dan Pantrick or someone who is highly recognizable. It was the week of or the following week he signed with Denver. I know for a fact he said that and i thought it was a subtle shot at Gayle. Like he didn’t have bad intentions with the comment, but he was definitely getting his point across. Thats why I laugh when people say “he was burnt out”. Nope, that man wanted out from here. He just wanted a different and better situation

 

[DSnfla]

Thank you. I mentioned awhile back, that I saw an interview with SP, and he said something to the effect, that the Broncos owners had “power”. No one on here seems to remember that interview, but I do remember seeing it. I tried locating it, but couldn’t find it. I vaguely remember the interviewer was Dan Pantrick or someone who is highly recognizable. It was the week of or the following week he signed with Denver. I know for a fact he said that and i thought it was a subtle shot at Gayle. Like he didn’t have bad intentions with the comment, but he was definitely getting his point across. Thats why I laugh when people say “he was burnt out”. Nope, that man wanted out from here. He just wanted a different and better situation

Yeah and Ole Tom was not a powerful NFL owner either

 

[Saint KayBee]

McCoy started 39 games at Texas A&M- 2 at Guard and 37 at Center.

Ruiz started 31 games at Michigan- 5 at Right Guard and 26 at Center.

They signed Easton in free agency (before the draft) because they couldn’t go into the season without a center on the team, but then jumped at the chance to trade up for McCoy especially with Easton’s injury history. McCoy wasn’t primarily a Guard in college.

I stand corrected, a couple things I read said he was a guard but the Saints didn’t see it that way

 

[RJS]

I think people underestimate how much Payton blamed Larry Warford for the Vikings playoff loss. Ruiz was the consensus top IOL in the class and was available at pick 24.

The Baun and Trautman trade-ups certainly look questionable in hindsight.

 

[504gks]

Doesn’t Ireland answer to Loomis, if that’s the case Loomis should be the one gone. It won’t happen though

Loomis is a business man, Ireland is player personnel. I only got the job after failing in Miami because he was one of Parcells boys