Saints hire Ted Rath as director of sports science, former Eagles director of sports performance (9 Viewers)

[Moon]

So I'm going to go ahead and finally close the Raiders team roster & coaching staff page, getting a feeling we're not hiring their guys anymore

 

[OutlawSaint]

You have the Denver Saints and now we have the New Orleans Eagles being built lol

 

[SonOfNOLA]

To be clear, he was found not guilty of the charges in LA and the NFL did not take disciplinary action.

Anyway, I'm more curious as to why the Eagles let him go in 2023. Still might be a great hire since he did a great job in LA but I am curious what happened in Philly.

Eagles let Rath go after 2023 because they supposedly weren’t happy with the conditioning of Jordan Davis and Jalen Carter in the 2nd half of 2023 season. They blamed it on Rath instead of Davis and Carter’s inconsistent motor and lack of determination for staying in shape. But Jordan Davis actually produced more tackles in the 2nd half of 2023 than the 1st half total. He had 23 tackles in the last 8 games of 2023 vs 22 tackles in the first 9 games. Davis’ 2023 2nd half sacks decreased from the 1st half. Jalen Carter’s 2nd half 2023 sacks also declined from the 1st half. But Jalen Carter’s 2024 sacks declined from the 2023 season’s total overall while Rath wasn’t there in 2024. It doesn’t look like their pass rush decline was majority of Rath’s fault.

It looks like Rath was apart of Sirianni’s 2023 staff scapegoats in order for Sirianni to return in 2024 after a disappointing 2023 season by their standards. They apparently just needed someone to blame for their DTs taking plays off and not living up to their draft status. Easier to blame top 10 picks not producing on the sports medicine director’s conditioning techniques instead of holding those two players and their DC/DL coaches more accountable.

 

[Randy Jones]

Eagles let Rath go after 2023 because they supposedly weren’t happy with the conditioning of Jordan Davis and Jalen Carter in the 2nd half of 2023 season. They blamed it on Rath instead of Davis and Carter’s inconsistent motor and lack of determination for staying in shape. But I believe Jordan Davis actually produced more tackles in the 2nd half of 2023 than the 1st half total. Davis’ 2023 2nd half sacks decreased from the 1st half. Jalen Carter’s 2nd half 2023 sacks also declined from the 1st half. But Jalen Carter’s 2024 sacks declined from the 2023 season’s total overall while Rath wasn’t there in 2024. It doesn’t look like their pass rush decline was majority of Rath’s fault.

It looks like Rath was apart of Sirianni’s 2023 staff scapegoats in order for Sirianni to return in 2024 after a disappointing 2023 season. They apparently just needed someone to blame. Easier to blame top 10 picks not producing on the sports medicine director’s conditioning techniques instead of holding those two players and their DC/DL coaches more accountable.

There's an old saying. "You can lead a horse to water,,," However, this next quote gives me pause. "The Eagles saw a marked improvement in their overall health in 2022, and Rath's methods, which involved less 'training', were said to have a benefit." Then, they turn around and fire him for lack of training on the part of two of their players?

 

[3ParStillDriver]

There's an old saying. "You can lead a horse to water,,," However, this next quote gives me pause. "The Eagles saw a marked improvement in their overall health in 2022, and Rath's methods, which involved less 'training', were said to have a benefit." Then, they turn around and fire him for lack of training on the part of two of their players?

Looks like nothing but politics. Rath made things look better in 2022, parted with him after and nothing got better for it.

 

[St. Geezy]

There's an old saying. "You can lead a horse to water,,," However, this next quote gives me pause. "The Eagles saw a marked improvement in their overall health in 2022, and Rath's methods, which involved less 'training', were said to have a benefit." Then, they turn around and fire him for lack of training on the part of two of their players?

Sounds like he got scapegoated in the ol’ “Changes for the sake of changes” trap some coaches on the hot seat like to deploy.

 

[Rouxble]

Looks like nothing but politics. Rath made things look better in 2022, parted with him after and nothing got better for it.

They did win the Super Bowl.

 

[SonOfNOLA]

They did win the Super Bowl.

Thanks to Kellen taking their offense to the next level with Barkley and the LBs and DBs improving.

The highly-drafted DTs Jordan Davis and Jalen Carter haven’t really gotten better after being the causes of Rath’s firing the year before.

 

[SailorJerrysHorse]

Sounds like he got scapegoated in the ol’ “Changes for the sake of changes” trap some coaches on the hot seat like to deploy.

Agreed. Not to mention if Moore never actually overlapped with him in Philly, he must have at minimum heard some great things about him from people who did.

 

[3ParStillDriver]

They did win the Super Bowl.

Not because of the new guy who pulls the coach back off the field.

 

[St. Widge]

Regardless of how good Rath is or isn't, and I think he's likely at worst good at his job, it's nice to see the team making changes instead of doubling down and pretending that the rash of injuries was just bad luck. Some of it was, but there are things a team can do do lessen injuries, especially soft tissue injuries.

And there are unseen benefits to a team being in better shape and/or not worn out as the season goes along in the form of guys making fewer mental mistakes because they are tired and having the energy to make plays at the end of a game. All those things seemed to be lacking with Rhea.

And it's going to be particularly important to be in shape for guys on the Saints offense since Moore likes to play offense with tempo.

 

[St.Dan]

You have the Denver Saints and now we have the New Orleans Eagles being built lol

Back during the Bum Phillips era here, you basically had the New Orleans Oilers Fans over 50 should remember that.

 

[DeuceMcAllisterFan]

Agreed. Not to mention if Moore never actually overlapped with him in Philly, he must have at minimum heard some great things about him from people who did.

There was a bit of an overlap. Moore was there in February and Rath was let go in June. So he may have gotten to know him and his methodologies well enough in that short timeframe.

 

[SailorJerrysHorse]

There was a bit of an overlap. Moore was there in February and Rath was let go in June. So he may have gotten to know him and his methodologies well enough in that short timeframe.

Oh rad, I didn't realize. Even better then, he both saw him work first hand and Rath clearly wasn't disparaged once he was fired

 

[SoggyBottomBoy]

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