Saints restructure Ramczyk to vet minimum per Jason Fitzgerald of Over The Cap (9 Viewers)

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B4YOU said:
Yeah. I thought Loomis would pay him 1.2M and PUP list him for 1 more year just to spread the signing bonus over 3 years, 25-27.

Instead it will be dead cap of 11M in 2025 and 12M in 2026.
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I'm glad they are taking the cap hits in 2025 and 2026 to get it over with before 2027. It's another indication that they are working to get the cap clear after the 2026 season.
 
Me just now remembering that Ram was even still on the team...

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St.Dan said:
The long goodbye for Ram's career begins now, I suppose. He's an easy insertion at RT for all-time Saints team's roster. Maybe not tops on that depth chart, but certainly on the chart.
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He and Kyle Turley are the only two Saints to earn a 1st team All-Pro from the RT position, he definitely has a spot on the all-time team.
 
HouseCall said:
It’s that the method is contingent on things that are out of his control (the salary cap going up every season) and we have very clear evidence that this method does not provide any sort of advantage and only puts the team at unnecessary risk.
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I disagree with this to a degree. They needed to stop doing it a few years ago and they definitely need to stop signing older players to contracts with a bunch of void years that accelerate into the cap making it impossible to move on, but it's a method that worked really well for 10 or so years keeping together a roster that was competing for championships.

It made sense and it worked when you were doing it to keep great players and you had a great roster 1 to 53. But it no longer makes sense when you are doing it to keep aging players that are well past their prime and you have a roster with few very good players and no depth.
 
Eeyore said:
This doesn't deserve its own thread

www.sportingnews.com

Saints expected to move on from Derek Carr, Taysom Hill, Cam Jordan & other veterans in total overhaul | Sporting News

The New Orleans Saints are preparing for a major rebuild and one NFL writer predicts they will cut ties with several of the team’s veteran faces to free up cap space for a new wave of young talent.
www.sportingnews.com www.sportingnews.com
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I'm no cap expert, but I don't think that's even possible. From what I can tell it's either cut Carr and keep the old vets or it's keep Carr and cut the older vets if the plan is to move on from the older players.

This quote from the article shows this guy lacks an understanding of how the Saints do the cap:

"The Saints have a projected scalar cap of nearly -$80 million for the 2025 season which means they are going to have to find ways to clear the books, and the easiest way to do that is to move on from veteran contracts that are set to take big chunks of change away from the pot next season. "
 
HouseCall said:
While I agree with you that Loomis always seems to “work it out”, I have found that most of complaining of fans lately has been about the delicate house of cards nature of this type of cap management and not that he can/can’t get us under the cap.

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And as it stands, we don’t have much talent or depth to show for this voodoo management.
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This is the key takeaway from this season. Cap flexibility limited the depth on the team, particularly at offensive line, wide receiver, and defensive line.

In a perfect world with little to no injuries, we have a pretty good team. When we have to extend aging players on large contracts to get under the cap each year, it limits what we can do with free agents if we don't kill it with draft picks.

Beyond hiring a new head coach, fixing the cap should be our top priority. "Kick the can" without a superstar franchise QB is not a path to success.
 
From the article:

"Ramczyk’s contract still has $23.066 million in dead money and by using the June 1 release the Saints will be able to split that up across two seasons at $11.083 million in 2025 and $11.983 million in 2026. Overall this puts the Saints in about a $12 million better position with the salary cap than if they released him or allowed him to officially retire in March.

The Saints still have a ton of work to do for 2025. Following this restructure they are still approximately $50 million over the 2025 salary cap, $27 million worse off than the next closest team."

I have read and understand that the way Mickey handles the cap has a logic, of using future resources for the present, and it works if there are no bumps like Covid or so. The cap is always growing, so Mikey takes advantage of the future resources at the present.

However, I am very critic of carrying over 11 million a year for two seasons for a player that is not contributing in our roster. And he won't be the only one.

By overextending in the future to maximize the present, Mickey also relinquish the possibility of spending in free agents, and is not able to retain ascending players that are in our roster.

I understand the logic, the benefits of the current management, but I don't like it. And I didn't like it even when the saints were competitive.
 
If a player has to retire for medical reasons, say Tua for example, the team should be allowed to clear the cap of any number and have a retirement settlement agreed upon between the player and team. The player gets paid and the team isn't hammered on it's cap. It helps other players get paid and the team remain competitive. Win for the player. Win for team. Win for the NFL.
 
St. Widge said:
I disagree with this to a degree. They needed to stop doing it a few years ago and they definitely need to stop signing older players to contracts with a bunch of void years that accelerate into the cap making it impossible to move on, but it's a method that worked really well for 10 or so years keeping together a roster that was competing for championships.

It made sense and it worked when you were doing it to keep great players and you had a great roster 1 to 53. But it no longer makes sense when you are doing it to keep aging players that are well past their prime and you have a roster with few very good players and no depth.
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I still believe that is one of the bigger misconceptions about the Saints' strategy, the heavy use of future cap space didn't really start until 2021. From 2011-2020, we averaged about 8% of total cash being spent on restructuring bonuses. From 2021-2024, the average has been about 37% of cash spent. We've been more all-in post-Brees than we ever were with Brees.
 
Covington Saint said:
These are the moves nobody predicts yet everyone loves to sky scream about the unsolvable cap issues we have.
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This isn't some brilliant move by Loomis. It's the same thing we've done every year since like 2020: Kick the can.

We now owe $12 million of dead cap in 2026 for Ram, furthering putting us behind the eight ball on any possible rebuild. To be fair, we didn't have a choice at this point, but that's part of the problem. We never should have been put in this position.
 
BoNcHiE said:
This isn't some brilliant move by Loomis. It's the same thing we've done every year since like 2020: Kick the can.

We now owe $12 million of dead cap in 2026 for Ram, furthering putting us behind the eight ball on any possible rebuild. To be fair, we didn't have a choice at this point, but that's part of the problem. We never should have been put in this position.
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this wasn't kicking the can move now. can has been on this curb for 2 years now.

what a lot of people didn't see was the ability for us to june 1st this move to get under the cap this year.

Ramczyk deal became terrible when he couldn't stay on the field. Had he stayed healthy....... well that's just the story of our recent history.... what if...
 

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