Sean Listened to or Followed the Example of the Wrong Bill (1 Viewer)

[RJ in Lafayette]

Denver is 1-4. It lost last week to Miami 70-20. The first five games (Washington, Las Vegas, Chicago and the Jets without Rodgers) were the easy part of Denver's schedule. In its next four games, it plays Kansas City twice, Buffalo and Green Bay. It still has to play the Chargers twice and Detroit. Denver may win three more games this season.

And the Denver media are not treating Payton he was treated in New Orleans. Mark Kiszla in the Denver Post just wrote a column that appears to be aimed squarely at Payton. Admittedly, because of a paywall, I was able to read only the first two paragraphs or so, but what I did read was that Denver's problems start at the top--meaning Payton--and the Broncos do not know how to win or lose with class. Payton's tenure in Denver seriously threatens his reputation as a coach and any chance he one day has to be inducted in the Hall of Fame. Payton was hired to resurrect Russell Wilson's career and make the 2023 Broncos competitive. He has failed badly. My prediction is that Payton's only chance to last more than two or three years in Denver is the Broncos drafting very high a quarterback (which means a truly dismal season) and cleaning house. Otherwise, Denver's ownership and fan base are not going to tolerate the toxic blend of horrible football and Payton's arrogance.

Payton never should have left the Saints. He had (1) an owner who treated him like a family member and who was willing to spend money; (2) a general manager who was a close friend and who largely allowed Payton to make the team's key personnel decisions; (3) a compliant media; and (4) a supportive fan base.

Bill Parcells was head coach for four different teams and then head of football operations for a fifth team. (And if Scott Norwood had made his field goal attempt in the 1990 Super Bowl, I think the reputation and career trajectory of Parcells may have been different.) In his jobs, Parcells tended to have early success, but after a few years, expectations were not met, or the emotional cost of having Parcells in the building became too high. After a failed tenure in Cleveland, Bill Belichick has been head coach of New England for 24 years--though it appears given his age and the state of the franchise, it is time for Belichick to leave.

Payton had the perfect job. When he decided to leave, he blew it.

 

[26ISTHEMAN]

I for one am glad Payton is no longer coaching the Saints. As much success as he brought the franchise, I think it was his ego and arrogance that kept the Saints from winning another championship. Sure there were other factors, but his failure to field competent defenses during the prime of Drew's tenure is inexcusable. We forget that he briefly put his ego aside and gave up part of his salary in 2009 to hire Gregg Williams, and it netted us a Super Bowl victory. After that, he decided only he knew how to build a team, and he fired Rob Ryan after he had put together a very good defense because Ryan didn't do it the way Payton wanted it done.

Maybe he'll luck into drafting a franchise QB and will find success again, but I have my doubts.

 

[guidomerkinsrules]

I don’t look forward to years and years of revisionist history

 

[CowtownSaint]

The one thing I will say, is if we still had Payton, I dont think we see guys like Olave, Shaheed or even Carr on this team, and while I know there is much to be fixed with our current staff, by Paytons end, some of the personel decisions just weren’t working. That doesn’t mean he was or is a bad coach or that in saying anything like that.

I think we have some things to iron out but I look at an Olave and I see a generational star for this organization. Someone that could be a face of the franchise one day type of deal on O.

Truly don’t believe he is on this team if Payton was still calling the shots

 

[SaintsMan209]

I think the game passed Payton by. He was so infused about the missed call, all things New Orleans, producing movies about bounty gate and all this other stuff that he simply is not creative anymore. He used to always mention he wanted his teams to be "tough" and really what he was saying is that he needs his team to bulldoze people because he's got no more magic left on offense. Sean thrives on catastrophe's but Denver wasn't in as bad of a situation as he's put them in. Very poor choice on his part to go to Denver and to leave New Orleans. Net loss for everyone.

 

[meily]

Payton is in the first year of putting his identity on a new franchise and people are speaking on him as if this is A-Typical of a Payton coached team when those reveling in his early struggles benefited for 16 years of competitive football teams under his helm....

.......the nerve of some of you.

 

[Paul]

I have an unpopular opinion on this. I think good coaches are important in sports - they bring leadership, creativity, and motivation to their teams. With that said, the players, specifically, good players with talent and skill are more important. A coach can be a great speaker, motivate the players to want to run through a wall, likable, approachable, etc - but if the players don’t have the necessary talent, skills, strength, etc. then they aren’t finding much success. You can draw up great game plans but if the players can’t execute then you’re not going to win much. Belichick didn’t fall off a cliff and Arians and Bowles are not Hall of Fame coaches; however, they all had Brady under center and found success.

This was my long-winded way of saying that Payton doesn’t have the horses to compete in Denver. There is no “bat game”, no amount of fussing and cussing, no magic words that will change this.

 

[Krodwhodat]

Hey this could all be happening as perfect timing. DA wins enough to keep his job next year, they give Payton one more year. After next season Denver cuts ties with Payton, we let Allen go and SP takes over again here. I’d be down for that.

 

[HouseCall]

Payton should have gone in quietly to Denver and truly assessed what he had before hitting the Parcell’s “say what’s on your mind” method.

He ripped Hackett, saying Hackett’s 2022 job was probably the worst coaching job in league history.

Well, now Payton is 1-4 with a 50 point loss on his resume and his only win against a Bears team that might win 4 games.

So what does that say about Payton?
I’ll give you a hint - it ain’t good.

Payton should have been very “Un-Payton” in his first season - but I truly think he thought the 2023 Broncos had a similar makeup to the 2006 Saints. That he could come in and be alpha dog and the pack would fall in line.

That may work down the line - but it’s clear he’s not getting anymore out of the team this season than Hackett did last season (aside from offensive production).

 

[SaintswonSBXLIV]

Denver is 1-4. It lost last week to Miami 70-20. The first five games (Washington, Las Vegas, Chicago and the Jets without Rodgers) were the easy part of Denver's schedule. In its next four games, it plays Kansas City twice, Buffalo and Green Bay. It still has to play the Chargers twice and Detroit. Denver may win three more games this season.

And the Denver media are not treating Payton he was treated in New Orleans. Mark Kiszla in the Denver Post just wrote a column that appears to be aimed squarely at Payton. Admittedly, because of a paywall, I was able to read only the first two paragraphs or so, but what I did read was that Denver's problems start at the top--meaning Payton--and the Broncos do not know how to win or lose with class. Payton's tenure in Denver seriously threatens his reputation as a coach and any chance he one day has to be inducted in the Hall of Fame. Payton was hired to resurrect Russell Wilson's career and make the 2023 Broncos competitive. He has failed badly. My prediction is that Payton's only chance to last more than two or three years in Denver is the Broncos drafting very high a quarterback (which means a truly dismal season) and cleaning house. Otherwise, Denver's ownership and fan base are not going to tolerate the toxic blend of horrible football and Payton's arrogance.

Payton never should have left the Saints. He had (1) an owner who treated him like a family member and who was willing to spend money; (2) a general manager who was a close friend and who largely allowed Payton to make the team's key personnel decisions; (3) a compliant media; and (4) a supportive fan base.

Bill Parcells was head coach for four different teams and then head of football operations for a fifth team. (And if Scott Norwood had made his field goal attempt in the 1990 Super Bowl, I think the reputation and career trajectory of Parcells may have been different.) In his jobs, Parcells tended to have early success, but after a few years, expectations were not met, or the emotional cost of having Parcells in the building became too high. After a failed tenure in Cleveland, Bill Belichick has been head coach of New England for 24 years--though it appears given his age and the state of the franchise, it is time for Belichick to leave.

Payton had the perfect job. When he decided to leave, he blew it.

Well said. I still wish him luck and will be forever grateful for the legitimacy he brought to the Saints franchise.

 

[SonOfNOLA]

Many think Payton should’ve waited for the Chargers job. But Herbert would’ve put him through the same stress as Denver version of Russell Wilson. Herbert’s a big arm who always falls apart in clutch time. Ineffective or turnover machine when he’s relied upon for a comeback. It’s not mentioned enough because he’s young and puts up good regular season stats for 3 quarters of each game. He’s been that way for almost 4 seasons now.

There was no perfect situation for Payton to continue coaching unless he waited for Andy Reid to retire to become KC’s coach. He took the immediate available opening because he wanted to continue coaching. He’s been an elite HC for years so he knows how to build his team into a winner if he’s given a couple seasons. 5 games of his first season in Denver or even the first season in Denver doesn’t have any indication how good he’ll be there. Microwave society wants instant results in 5 games but he has damaged goods at QB from the previous HC. He’ll be fine when he has his own QB.

 

[KYSaintsFan]

Denver is 1-4. It lost last week to Miami 70-20. The first five games (Washington, Las Vegas, Chicago and the Jets without Rodgers) were the easy part of Denver's schedule. In its next four games, it plays Kansas City twice, Buffalo and Green Bay. It still has to play the Chargers twice and Detroit. Denver may win three more games this season.

And the Denver media are not treating Payton he was treated in New Orleans. Mark Kiszla in the Denver Post just wrote a column that appears to be aimed squarely at Payton. Admittedly, because of a paywall, I was able to read only the first two paragraphs or so, but what I did read was that Denver's problems start at the top--meaning Payton--and the Broncos do not know how to win or lose with class. Payton's tenure in Denver seriously threatens his reputation as a coach and any chance he one day has to be inducted in the Hall of Fame. Payton was hired to resurrect Russell Wilson's career and make the 2023 Broncos competitive. He has failed badly. My prediction is that Payton's only chance to last more than two or three years in Denver is the Broncos drafting very high a quarterback (which means a truly dismal season) and cleaning house. Otherwise, Denver's ownership and fan base are not going to tolerate the toxic blend of horrible football and Payton's arrogance.

Payton never should have left the Saints. He had (1) an owner who treated him like a family member and who was willing to spend money; (2) a general manager who was a close friend and who largely allowed Payton to make the team's key personnel decisions; (3) a compliant media; and (4) a supportive fan base.

Bill Parcells was head coach for four different teams and then head of football operations for a fifth team. (And if Scott Norwood had made his field goal attempt in the 1990 Super Bowl, I think the reputation and career trajectory of Parcells may have been different.) In his jobs, Parcells tended to have early success, but after a few years, expectations were not met, or the emotional cost of having Parcells in the building became too high. After a failed tenure in Cleveland, Bill Belichick has been head coach of New England for 24 years--though it appears given his age and the state of the franchise, it is time for Belichick to leave.

Payton had the perfect job. When he decided to leave, he blew it.

I think Payton was never the classiest winner or loser but I think when he was our coach we found it endearing. He chirped a lot to players and fans in the stands. I was really bothered when he talked about being burned out and needed to :walk away from coaching for a while" only for it to be a year. That just felt like he created a problem here he didn't want to fix so he left for another place to start over with a more established QB. In typical Payton fashion, I am enjoying his struggles and the fact he didn't just get to transition with ease. In fact, he has quickly gone from a respected big name coach with the media to kind of a joke.
Gayle would have taken care of him and he didn't reciprocate the loyalty he was given by the Benson's after Bountygate. Strangely, I must admit I am kind of shocked by my own feelings regarding him. I really liked him going to the AFC so I could root for him but I have found out I just want him to fail miserably. I feel as petty as Payton about it lol.

 

[sainthood]

Denver has an atrocious roster and made one of the worst trades in recent NFL history by hooking its wagon to Russell Wilson who got way too much credit for in his time in Seattle. Wilson was a game manager who benefited from Marshawn Lynch's running game and a stellar defense. Once Rus got paid there was no money left to build a team. Wilson not coming to NOLA is a huge blessing for the Saints. Denver gave up picks for both Wilson and Payton and has two teams in its division with top quarterbacks for years to come. You could put any coach in the league in Denver and they would be struggling. Russell Wilson is near uncoachable. This will not end well.

As far as Payton ever coming back to New Orleans if Denver drops him, that is just not how good corporate organizations work. Nostalgia is overrated. You don't remarry the woman you divorced or who cheated on you.

 

[slikk]

Ah I don't like how he left but it was on him own terms I can respect it sense he was HC sense 06 but his coaching and playing was stale it was time to move on. Hopefully he gets it turned around in Denver in the next year or two.

 

[los226]

Payton’s arrogance has come to bite him in his arse. When he first came to the Saints he was a hungry young first time head coach ready to prove himself. Throughout the years he thought he became more than what he really is to the NFL.