Sean Listened to or Followed the Example of the Wrong Bill (2 Viewers)

[Derrick 63]

I was really bothered when he talked about being burned out and needed to :walk away from coaching for a while" only for it to be a year. That just felt like he created a problem here he didn't want to fix so he left for another place to start over with a more established QB.

That was the thing about his leaving that kind of bothered me. You can count on one hand the coaches that burn out and have to take a year off at his age and HE ALREADY SAT FOR A YEAR for Bountygate.

The truth of it is he decided he wanted to go to a ready-made team instead of doing the hard work it was going to take to rebuild the Saints. He cooked up a case of the burnouts and sat for a year in the broadcast studio until something came along that he thought was better.

That said, he did a great job for the most part with the Saints and I appreciate that. What he should have done differently in New Orleans is hire great defensive coordinators and give them some input on drafting the defensive players. Had he done that he would have won at least another Superbowl and probably more.

 

[Noble Saint]

I for one am glad Payton is no longer coaching the Saints. As much success as he brought the franchise, I think it was his ego and arrogance that kept the Saints from winning another championship. Sure there were other factors, but his failure to field competent defenses during the prime of Drew's tenure is inexcusable. We forget that he briefly put his ego aside and gave up part of his salary in 2009 to hire Gregg Williams, and it netted us a Super Bowl victory. After that, he decided only he knew how to build a team, and he fired Rob Ryan after he had put together a very good defense because Ryan didn't do it the way Payton wanted it done.

Maybe he'll luck into drafting a franchise QB and will find success again, but I have my doubts.

I agree. All those seasons of training camp up in the mountains at a resort bugged me. After winning a title it was like he wanted to relax and live off that one season.

 

[SystemShock]

Bill Parcells was head coach for four different teams and then head of football operations for a fifth team. (And if Scott Norwood had made his field goal attempt in the 1990 Super Bowl, I think the reputation and career trajectory of Parcells may have been different.)

Ain't that the truth.

 

[DSnfla]

The one thing I will say, is if we still had Payton, I dont think we see guys like Olave, Shaheed or even Carr on this team, and while I know there is much to be fixed with our current staff, by Paytons end, some of the personel decisions just weren’t working. That doesn’t mean he was or is a bad coach or that in saying anything like that.

I think we have some things to iron out but I look at an Olave and I see a generational star for this organization. Someone that could be a face of the franchise one day type of deal on O.

Truly don’t believe he is on this team if Payton was still calling the shots

Carr may not be on the team but Olave and Shaheed most certainly would be, SP loved OSU WRs and OSU players. Olave is a good WR and may turn into very good but generational. Probably not, he even dropped a TD pass on Sun.

 

[DSnfla]

Anyone who would rather have the coaching situation we have now than have SP back, I'm sorry IMHO are fools. His last yr here he did one of the best coaching jobs, not only here but should have gotten major consideration for COY. I highly doubt that we will ever make it to the SB with DA as HC. I hope I'm wrong because I'm a Saints fan 1st. But if the Broncos finish with the top pick and he gets Caleb the AFC better watch out

 

[nakadish]

Carr may not be on the team but Olave and Shaheed most certainly would be, SP loved OSU WRs and OSU players. Olave is a good WR and may turn into very good but generational. Probably not, he even dropped a TD pass on Sun.

Nope. Payton even came out and said that he didn't see a need in drafting a WR that high. And I think he keeps Hardy and looks for the next blocking WR in the UDFA class rather than Shaheed. In any case, there would be nobody in the TE room besides JJ and Hill, and nobody in the RB room besides Kamara and maybe TJJ. Payton likes UDFAs for some reason. Even brought LJH up to Denver. I'm not sure LJH would even be on anybody else's practice squad.

If Payton were still here, the talent on the offensive side of the ball would be just as terrible as it has been for the last several years under Payton.

And, yes, he was able to have a halfway descent season his last year here in spite of all the injuries. But, I don't think that was sustainable with no talent of the offensive side of the ball. The wheels were always going to come off. I'm just glad they came off in somebody else's back yard.

Say what you want about DA as a HC, but he has added way more talent than the Saints have had in years in just two years with the same salary cap issues that Payton didn't want to deal with.

Sorry for the rant. Just a little bit salty.

 

[ItFan]

Nope. Payton even came out and said that he didn't see a need in drafting a WR that high. And I think he keeps Hardy and looks for the next blocking WR in the UDFA class rather than Shaheed. In any case, there would be nobody in the TE room besides JJ and Hill, and nobody in the RB room besides Kamara and maybe TJJ. Payton likes UDFAs for some reason. Even brought LJH up to Denver. I'm not sure LJH would even be on anybody else's practice squad.

If Payton were still here, the talent on the offensive side of the ball would be just as terrible as it has been for the last several years under Payton.

And, yes, he was able to have a halfway descent season his last year here in spite of all the injuries. But, I don't think that was sustainable with no talent of the offensive side of the ball. The wheels were always going to come off. I'm just glad they came off in somebody else's back yard.

Say what you want about DA as a HC, but he has added way more talent than the Saints have had in years in just two years with the same salary cap issues that Payton didn't want to deal with.

Sorry for the rant. Just a little bit salty.

Thomas and Kamara?

 

[webster]

Nope. Payton even came out and said that he didn't see a need in drafting a WR that high. And I think he keeps Hardy and looks for the next blocking WR in the UDFA class rather than Shaheed. In any case, there would be nobody in the TE room besides JJ and Hill, and nobody in the RB room besides Kamara and maybe TJJ. Payton likes UDFAs for some reason. Even brought LJH up to Denver. I'm not sure LJH would even be on anybody else's practice squad.

If Payton were still here, the talent on the offensive side of the ball would be just as terrible as it has been for the last several years under Payton.

And, yes, he was able to have a halfway descent season his last year here in spite of all the injuries. But, I don't think that was sustainable with no talent of the offensive side of the ball. The wheels were always going to come off. I'm just glad they came off in somebody else's back yard.

Say what you want about DA as a HC, but he has added way more talent than the Saints have had in years in just two years with the same salary cap issues that Payton didn't want to deal with.

Sorry for the rant. Just a little bit salty.

I’m with you. But your take will garner numerous face palms and clown emojis. You can criticize almost anything but SP.

 

[Saint KayBee]

I for one am glad Payton is no longer coaching the Saints. As much success as he brought the franchise, I think it was his ego and arrogance that kept the Saints from winning another championship. Sure there were other factors, but his failure to field competent defenses during the prime of Drew's tenure is inexcusable. We forget that he briefly put his ego aside and gave up part of his salary in 2009 to hire Gregg Williams, and it netted us a Super Bowl victory. After that, he decided only he knew how to build a team, and he fired Rob Ryan after he had put together a very good defense because Ryan didn't do it the way Payton wanted it done.

Maybe he'll luck into drafting a franchise QB and will find success again, but I have my doubts.

Rob Ryan's defense named Junior Galette a captain for the 2014 season and their performance plummeted from 4th to 28th. in 2015, the defense named Brandon Browner a captain, and 28th wasn't good enough that season - they dropped to dead last. Fans tend to believe that Payton, an offense-minded head coach, didn't much meddle in the affairs of the defense, preferring instead to let his DCs (he hired five in total, and worked the sidelines with four of them) do that work. The numbers seem to reflect that the offenses were his and the defenses were theirs. Somehow the defenses under new coordinators Gibbs, Williams, and Ryan performed well in year 1 but fell off a cliff after. Gibbs' defense went from a respectable 13th in 2006 to mid-20s by 2008. Williams' defense was second in takeaways and led the league in turnover differential in 2009, but he had to go for other reasons. Ryan's defense was 4th in points allowed but then tumbled as mentioned. Allen has been the one to make it a consistent top-half defense, in terms of points allowed and takeaways.

 

[State Of Affairs]

The one thing I will say, is if we still had Payton, I dont think we see guys like Olave, Shaheed or even Carr on this team, and while I know there is much to be fixed with our current staff, by Paytons end, some of the personel decisions just weren’t working. That doesn’t mean he was or is a bad coach or that in saying anything like that.

I think we have some things to iron out but I look at an Olave and I see a generational star for this organization. Someone that could be a face of the franchise one day type of deal on O.

Truly don’t believe he is on this team if Payton was still calling the shots

(IMHO) Here’s the problem with Payton and coaches like him. He had a HOF QB and everything (a lot) he did worked. From that, these arrogant people start believing that them being arses to people about the color of sticky notes being in order or undershirts being uniform is why they have success when in reality, Brees is why it’s working.

Don’t get me wrong, good coaches make players better and you can’t win with bad coaching but I emphatically agree, players make it go.

 

[LUX]

(IMHO) Here’s the problem with Payton and coaches like him. He had a HOF QB and everything (a lot) he did worked. From that, these arrogant people start believing that them being arses to people about the color of sticky notes being in order or undershirts being uniform is why they have success when in reality, Brees is why it’s working.

Don’t get me wrong, good coaches make players better and you can’t win with bad coaching but I emphatically agree, players make it go.

I agree. Brees had that fire of wanting to prove everyone wrong. Every year, he worked to be the best and he would not get his credit. He would do things no other QBs did, but because of our bad defenses, Brees didn't get the respect other QBs did. I wish more could have been done to get Brees multiple SBs.

 

[play action]

rushed back to quickly. Denver doesn't love ya like new orleans did Sean. Very few if any locales will. Be carefully some of those media guys in mile high are ex queens. Time to go back to living at the practice facility just like a young buck,but does he still have it in him at this point?

 

[saintsmarchin]

It's obvious sp and bb are fighting to get Caleb.

Could you imagine that division

Caleb Williams
Patrick Mahomes
Justin Herbet
And.......

Jimmy G

 

[English]

Lincoln Riley made Baker Mayfield the gotta have , can’t miss at that time too.

It's obvious sp and bb are fighting to get Caleb.

Could you imagine that division

Caleb Williams
Patrick Mahomes
Justin Herbet
And.......

Jimmy G

 

[nakadish]

Thomas and Kamara?

They are certainly not terrible. But without Brees, that's not enough to have a great team. But, how 'bout these apples? Kamara is the last offensive player that Payton brought in that you would consider among the best in the league (on offense). That was 7 years ago. That's 5 years of doing nothing to upgrade the talent on offense. That's 5 years of the rest of the NFL passing you by.