Shanle gives insight into Saints Pay for Performance system (1 Viewer)

[bornnraisedwhodat]

New Orleans Saints linebacker Scott Shanle explains rewards for 'cart-offs,' says NFL has blown things out of proportion - New Orleans Saints Football NFL News - NOLA.com

Interesting read, most detail I've heard yet from players. And along the lines of what we figured.

What Shanle described fits with the narrative we've pieced together through various sources, both on and off the record. The Saints did have a pay-for-performance program, which included payouts in the range of $500 and $1,000 for a variety of big plays, including big hits. And those hits were sometimes referred to as "cart-offs" or "knockouts" when players were injured. But Shanle said that didn't mean the intent or purpose of the pay-for-performance system was to target players for injuries.
Shanle said those terms were used "in Gregg's language," referring to the fiery defensive coordinator, whose over-the-top motivational tactics have been well-documented. But Shanle insisted that players didn't take Williams literally, and he believes Williams was the best motivator he's had in 10 years in the NFL.
"Gregg said crazy stuff," Shanle said. "If you take him literally, you're gonna be locked up. But he was the best motivator I've ever been around."

 

[SAINTIN NEBR]

hmmm Im not sure what to think of this.. part of me says i wonder if Scott's days in NOLA are numbered , given the new DC , and figured to come clean throw GW under the bus OR is Scott trying to vindicate GW and clear the air of all this speculation?

 

[RadsRock]

"If you put Vilma's picture on the cover of Sports Illustrated with a headline that says, 'Performance-based pool,' it wouldn't have the same effect," Shanle said.

I understand players must have been told to keep quiet... but for crap's sake why didn't somebody speak up like this months ago??

 

[Chet Manley]

Both a liability in zone coverage and media coverage.

 

[Madhattr]

I dont see any throwing under the bus statements in what he said. Just reitterating what we already know.

 

[bornnraisedwhodat]

Where is he throwing anyone under the bus?

The damage is already done, someone finally is coming forward with what we all knew was the real truth.

Yes, the Saints had a p4p system in place, which is against the league rules but something just about every team has in place in some form or fashion. Yes Gregg Williams preaches violence in his coaching.

But I challenge anyone to find any evidicene that Saints players went out there to intentionally harm other players, and evidence that "bounties" were places on players heads. There is none because it didnt happen.

NFL busted the Saints for P4P, but the NFL paint the picture of "Bounties" and "Intent to Injure"

 

[26ISTHEMAN]

Shanle just confirms what most of us here have believed all along - pay-for-performance? yes; bounty program with intent to injury? no way in ----.

P.S. I absolutely love the jab he took at the media at the end:

"If you put Vilma's picture on the cover of Sports Illustrated with a headline that says, 'Performance-based pool,' it wouldn't have the same effect," Shanle said.

 

[saintsfan26]

This is what happens when you start involving politics into football. In this politically correct world we live in you cant say things like that in a lockeroom because someone like Pamphilon or Goodell gets offended too easily. So now a coach can never say "i want you to knock his head off" because people will take it literally. Well theres the truth my friends.

"We were punished for the spoken word, not the clinched fist." Joe Vitt.

 

[Booker]

I don't think anyone has denied that there was a pay for performance pool -- it's why the coaches couldn't really fight back as it was against the rules. However, there's a big difference between a locker room big play pool that was really more about team camaraderie than money, and a sinister pay to injure system targetting opposing players, which is how the league framed it.

Seriously, four months ago, if you were told that a team was paying players to injure opponents, based simply upon what everyone had seen on the field from a fan's perspective, would anyone have suspected that team was the Saints? The on field play surely didn't match Williams' rhetoric nor the league's allegations.

 

[bornnraisedwhodat]

And the players couldnt speak up earlier because of the insane power of Goodevil. Players couldnt say anything because Goodell claimed to have 22-27 players in his bullseye.

 

[Mardiboys]

hmmm Im not sure what to think of this.. part of me says i wonder if Scott's days in NOLA are numbered , given the new DC , and figured to come clean throw GW under the bus OR is Scott trying to vindicate GW and clear the air of all this speculation?

It sounds like part of you needs to read the story a few more times.

 

[SAINTIN NEBR]

your right..

It sounds like part of you needs to read the story a few more times.

Im sorry I didnt read the story just the teaser.. i know Scott's trying to defend his club... just wondering why all of a sudden they speak up..

 

[choozer]

Hyperbole (hy-pur-bə-lee) — The use of exaggeration as a rhetorical device or figure of speech. It may be used to evoke strong feelings or to create a strong impression, but is not meant to be taken literally.

They should put GW's picture next to this definition in the dictionary. Apparently Goodell and some in the media can't or don't want to understand what hyperbole is.

 

[327]

I kind of wish Gregg had motivated Shanle to not let Vernon Davis run past him on that final play.

 

[efil4stnias]

Im sorry I didnt read the story just the teaser.. i know Scott's trying to defend his club... just wondering why all of a sudden they speak up..

prolly because we are well past the "discovery stage".

Now what he says will not get lost in the rhetoric. Its there for all to see. Exactly as most expected....pay for performance bonus program and NOT a "bounty" program.

but paying a guy $500 for a int wasnt enough for the league to get them involved.

Term it a "bounty" like Cerullo did, buy into that like Goodell did, and well here we are.