So who's part of the 29%? (1 Viewer)

[Mr. Blue Sky]

I couldn't imagine that Nakita Khrushchev, the shoe pounding, nutcase Commie, was actually the savior of the free world either. Just saying.

- Bookmark this thread, DD, so that 50 years from now we can retrieve it from the archives and continue this discussion.

 

[DadsDream]

- Bookmark this thread, DD, so that 50 years from now we can retrieve it from the archives and continue this discussion.

George agrees. Scottie hat...western shirt...baggy bike pants...presidential socks... Crocs...he had to have dressed himself, because there's no way a classy lady like Laura would have let him out of the house like that!

http://www.politico.com/blogs/anneschroeder/0607/What_a_croc.html#comments

 

[champ76]

I couldn't imagine that Nakita Khrushchev, the shoe pounding, nutcase Commie, was actually the savior of the free world either. Just saying.

Indeed, he didn't earn the nickname "Butcher of the Ukraine" because of past good deeds.

The links you posted suggest the papers were declassified in 2002. Maybe that is why there wasn't much news on it. Did you hear of it sooner?

 

[DadsDream]

Yes, Champ, I first heard about it in a classified briefing in the Military History Instructor Course at the U.S. Army Command General Staff College in 1994. We weren't allowed to take notes or have any writing materials. Sit, listen, learn, don't tell anybody, but use it for context when you teach official U.S. Army history.

For those who are wondering, yes, those are really presidential seal socks in the picture of our current Commander-in-Chief.

 

[RebSaint]

Exactly why I think Bush has near zero political gravitas or credibility.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070616/ap_on_go_pr_wh/bush

So NOW he threatens with the veto pen "runaway" spending? Pot meet kettle, kettle meet pot. How stupid does he think the American people are? Tax and spend policies? As opposed to borrow and spend?

How many times did he express runaway gov't spending when Republicans were in power? Not. one. peep. of a threatened veto. FWIW, I'm glad he's trying to return to some semblance of fiscal responsibility, but obviously this grandstanding is more of a dog and pony show.

 

[champ76]

George agrees. Scottie hat...western shirt...baggy bike pants...presidential socks... Crocs...he had to have dressed himself, because there's no way a classy lady like Laura would have let him out of the house like that!

http://www.politico.com/blogs/anneschroeder/0607/What_a_croc.html#comments

I hope he's on his way to play golf. Otherwise, I have no explanation.

 

[RebSaint]

I hope he's on his way to play golf. Otherwise, I have no explanation.

He also looks a lot like Bush I in that photo. You can tell the presidency has aged him, as it does countless others.

 

[champ76]

Exactly why I think Bush has near zero political gravitas or credibility.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070616/ap_on_go_pr_wh/bush

So NOW he threatens with the veto pen "runaway" spending? Pot meet kettle, kettle meet pot. How stupid does he think the American people are? Tax and spend policies? As opposed to borrow and spend?

How many times did he express runaway gov't spending when Republicans were in power? Not. one. peep. of a threatened veto. FWIW, I'm glad he's trying to return to some semblance of fiscal responsibility, but obviously this grandstanding is more of a dog and pony show.

I think he left Congress alone as long as they left him alone in the war on terror. He is in trouble with a lot of his base for letting his Republican congress spend like drunken sailors.

 

[saintmdterps]

Saintmdterps, we've had this discussion frequently in the past year, particularly in relation to the "Worst President Ever" tag, which you'll recall was a MoveOn.org slogan and bumpersticker for the 2004 election.

As Gumbeau pointed out, there's so much we do not know at this point that it's most definitely wrong to draw valid conclusions at this point.

For a few samples, we don't have to look very far.

FDR had polio and couldn't walk without assistance, but any cameraman taking a picture of FDR in his wheelchair quickly got his camera (and his arm) broken by the Secret Service. It was long after his death before pictures emerged of him being carried around, loaded and unloaded from cars and trains. The American public that voted for him didn't have a clue at the time.

The press corps was well-aware of JFK's dalliances with Marilyn Monroe in the White House, but he was dead for 20 years before that information saw the light of day.

We are still in the process of declassifying the deaths of Air Force crews that were shot down spying on Russia in the 1950s and 1960s. That only happened after evidence began emerging in Russia that they captured some of those men and they eventually died in prison in Siberia.

Lyndon Johnson created the Tonkin Gulf Incident which led to a 98-2 Senate vote to authorize the use of force in Vietnam. It would be 30 years before the information was declassified to reveal that the entire incident was a CIA operation.

Why wouldn't we declassify all the documents on 9/11? Well, to answer that, we'd have to know what operations were being run from offices in the World Trade Center, wouldn't we?

If the operations are still classified, the locations of those offices are still classified and so are the documents relating to 9/11 that refer to those offices and even the names of the people who worked in them.

Did you know that there are certain military courses which issue you a new Social Security Number when you graduate?

DD I see where you're coming from. I think what you say may certainly be appropriate with regard to foreign policy. I'm just not sure here at home. It appears to me at this point in time that he does not have the avereage american's interests at heart when he makes his decisions, to the extent they ARE HIS to make.

He is not a person for whom it is easy to feel symapathy, but as you say, it may be appropriate to let some time pass before tagging him with worst president ever. I'm sure additional facts will come to light after he has departed the white house.

When I make a decision, I do not bear the weight of 300 million people on my shoulders, however, I must be able to look myself in the eye and respect who I see. there have been times certainly I have been unable to do that. I think I've learned from my mistakes and become a better person. With regard to Dubya's choices, only he can answer whether or not his choices have been made with the best intentions.

I appreciate what you said in your later post re: Churchill and Ultra. Sometimes, hard decisions must be made in order to serve the greater good, I believe similar choices were made in the Pacific so the Japanese would not know we had cracked their code. As long as I feel a greater good IS ultimately served, I can live with the rationale of these choices. Back to Bush, only time will tell.

I did NOT know that about military courses and SSN's:winknudge:

 

[DadsDream]

Hard to argue with somebody who has "the ravens are pond scum" under their avatar.

 

[Mr. Blue Sky]

He also looks a lot like Bush I in that photo. You can tell the presidency has aged him, as it does countless others.

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[Saint Anthony]

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You would age like that to if you had to wake up and look at Hillary every morning

 

[RebSaint]

You would age like that to if you had to wake up and look at Hillary every morning

Or slipping bimbos in and out of the White House or sneaking into bed after a secret rendevous.

 

[saintmdterps]

Or slipping bimbos in and out of the White House or sneaking into bed after a secret rendevous.

Philandering in the white house is certainly nothing new. As a matter of fact, the two may be synonymous. Typical politicians.

 

[BullDawg]

When it comes to foreign policy and wars, I try to temper my disagreements with the knowledge that I don't (and maybe will never) know the whole story. I can disagree with Iraq based on my limited knowledge and what I see as a strategic blunder. Maybe in my lifetime I'll learn the whole truth...maybe not.

But on domestic issues I can and will take Bush to task. His failures handling Katrina (and I lay respective blame at the foot of all involved), "the Wall", no "mission to the moon" type of program for alternative fuels, pushing for the "Patriot" Act, creation of the Department of Homeland Security, etc., etc., etc. There's plenty of areas where, IMHO, he's failed miserably as Chief Executive of the US.