Sources: Dennis Allen’s recent mishandling of Kendre Miller’s injury created internal frustration, Miller currently healthy but can’t play (1 Viewer)

[sfidc3]

I am not defending or excusing his actions…I think he’s reading the room poorly, shouldn’t be so convinced that DA was the right guy, and he’s certainly coming off as being a little unlikable with his words lately, but I just don’t find that grounds to fire a 20+ year GM.

If Mickey was some guy we just hired three years ago, I’d probably feel differently.

A reasonable take above, but I disagree, I think another factor is that he is 67, would like to see younger leadership as well....

 

[SAINT BIGAL]

Yea like we said yesterday not all people are self motivated. We all need to be told what to do. My wife tells me to take out the trash, and I’m glad she does, because I’d forget. I think Rizzi understands that to be a HC, that you have to be a OCD to all of the details. SP surely was.

I can agree with that but I would also assume that the player should know what they are supposed to before taking the field. These are grown arse men for God’s sake. At this point in their lives, they should know better.

On another note, I should know better. I have a 20 year old son and if I tell/ask him to do something you better be very specific. If I ask him to take out the trash, he will but don’t expect him to put another trash bag in the can unless you specifically tell him.

 

[DSnfla]

The simple fact that this is going on, the owner had to step in, and Loomis is basically saying Gayle was wrong for doing this and DA is a great coach etc etc etc, makes it very very very clear that DA would still be here and next season if it were up to Loomis, and that Loomis himself is completely out of touch with reality and needs to go.

I'm done protecting Loomis. No way, shape or form should this be happening, and he not only allowing it, but protecting the person who does this.

EDIT: A thought just occurred to me after I posted the above. It almost really does sound like DA was taking liberty with injuries, and possibly even ok with having them since theres a report that warm ups were "optional". The idea that a GM would allow this completely baffles me unless they were trying to intentionally tank the season. Its a wild concept to me, especially since theres no one that screams to me as a player who could change the franchise outside of Travis Hunter and Ahston Jeanty.

NOWHERE did ML say GB was wrong for firing DA, NOWHERE . In fact Underhill maybe THE most respected guy covering the Saints said in his podcast that he thought ML was going to fire DA at the end of the season!!! The only ting it SEEMS that ML disagreed with GB was that he didn't want to fire DA mid-season . What ML said was the DA IS and excellent coach and he is, He's an excellent DC and a great DB coach that is UNDENIABLE . He is just not a good HC . SMH some people see what they want to see

 

[RaisingTheBar]

Mickey needs to go....

Does Gayle have the backbone to do it is the question. And I’m not sure she does.

 

[DSnfla]

I can agree with that but I would also assume that the player should know what they are supposed to before taking the field. These are grown arse men for God’s sake. At this point in their lives, they should know better.

On another note, I should know better. I have a 20 year old son and if I tell/ask him to do something you better be very specific. If I ask him to take out the trash, he will but don’t expect him to put another trash bag in the can unless you specifically tell him.

But I'm guessing that your son is not a multi million dollar paid pro athlete that is determined on his body being in top shape to earn his livelihood

 

[DSnfla]

Just from a fan viewpoint, it does seem that some players (or their actions) got under DA's skin and he wouldn't play them. I think back to Jimmy Graham last year (or the year before?) after his incident out in California. DA just would not play him for about the next four or five games even though he was healthy and we needed him. Now Kendre Miller. I'm sure I'm forgetting others.

C'mon man , do you know how many players got in Payton 's doghouse??? You don't want to be in the HC's doghouse, then do what you need to do. It happens on every team

 

[DSnfla]

This is a big one. One of the worst issues (and there was a lot) is the complete mismanagement of the IR system. But remember the head coach isn’t the only one involved in that process. That’s more on someone like Mickey Loomis too. Shows you just how deep the mismanagement goes.

Blaming GM for who gets put on IR is ridiculous. It's a coaching and a med staff decision SMH

 

[DSnfla]

It always felt personal with Allen.

Yeah when a player dogs it or doesn't do what is needed to get his body ready to play or just does not seem to get it like Underhill said of Miller, yeah a HC takes it personal . They all do

 

[DSnfla]

speculation here....but Marshon Lattimore has been injured alot over the past 3 seasons. He was known to have hamstring issues before he was drafted, but those issues seemed to disappear in his professional career, or at least calm down to the point where it was a non-issue. Maybe they're starting to reoccur as he gets older? But Latt is only 28, so that means these issues started re-occurring when he was 25ish? Seems awful young to me, but I'm not qualified to say.

OTOH, Latt's issues seem to coincide with DAs tenure, and I could absolutely see a correlation between "optional" warmup periods and soft tissue injuries. And with Miller issues coming to light (and apparently AT Perry, possibly MT13?), is it that far of a stretch to consider that DA was using IR designations to deny playing time to "problem players" who were challenges to his HC authority? And let's not forget the trading of CJGJ to the Eagles for practically nothing? Think CJGJ was a problem for DA? He was a problem when DA was DC, but CSP wasn't taking any of that crap. Coincidence Ceedy was traded during DAs 1st training camp as HC? With a 3-year lookback, is it that farfetched to conclude that ML has been massaging the team for DAs benefit, rather than the franchise's benefit? And if THAT is true, the obvious question is WHY?

Let's not forget that ML was investigated by the NFL several years back (I know, another Goodell vendetta because we don't "kiss the ring" with the appropriate amount of slobber) for a wiretap/eavesdropping scandal. AND he was suspended 8 games in 2012 for his role as GM in bountygate. I can't put a lot of stock in Roger's kangaroo investigations. I can admit there was likely SOMETHING there, but don't trust Roger's conclusions. And viewed in isolation, I can dismiss the allegations without losing any sleep. But considered collectively (like DA's tenure....I can rationalize the 0-7 skid, but I can't rationalize continuing an 18-25 tenure), I have to consider that MAYBE our GM has got his fingerprints in another scandal....manipulating the IR. And MAYBE it does beyond that. I've accused ML of being disconnected from the pulse of the team, and refusing to acknowledge what is APPARENT to everyone else outside of Airline Drive. But WHAT IF he is acutely aware of situations inside of that team, and he was backing DA to the bitter end (still?!) because his role could be revealed, resulting in sanctions, fines, suspensions(?).... That is certainly ONE possible explanation that would make absolute sense of a non-sensical situation. Probably not the only explanation....Occam's Razor would suggest the simplest solution is the likeliest. The simplest solution is that a substandard GM (without CSP) with a career 40% winning percentage hired a substandard HC with a career 33% winning percentage, and colluded to mismanage a borderline playoff team to become one of the worst in the league.

But it would've been REALLY easy for a GM to say the coach we just fired is a good coach, has been valuable to the organization, appreciate everything that coach has done for the organization, but it was time for a change. That's what MOST GMs say about a fired coach, and it's very easy to say and no one raises an eyebrow about it. So why isn't ML doing that? He's only drawing attention to himself with his unusual stance and public chatter. Makes me wonder WHY? Is he that much of a narcissist that he truly believes he's that much smarter than anyone else in the Saints org? Or is he hiding something that he desperately does not want revealed? I'm inclined to the latter, but that's JMO.

If you don't trust Goodell's intentions and accusations then why are you mentioning it? ANYTHING RG does to this franchise is just some sort of vendetta

 

[DSnfla]

The optional warm-up did it for me. I thought he should be gone since after his first year and after he mishandled the Winston injury, but I had no idea just how unfit he was to be a head coach.

Maybe the problem is DA tried to treat all the players like grown men and pros that should know that especially like Miller that had hammy issues last yr that they need to do extensive warmup stretching

 

[St. Widge]

Maybe the problem is DA tried to treat all the players like grown men and pros that should know that especially like Miller that had hammy issues last yr that they need to do extensive warmup stretching

I mean, some of these guys are 20 or 21 years-old so while they look like grown men, they still have a lot of growing to do. I'm sure someone like Miller came of of college with no hamstring issues and had no idea how to avoid them or what to do when he started having the problem. DAs approach might work with guys like AK, Demario, and Cam, but it's not necessarily work with younger players who haven't yet learned what it means to be a professional.

 

[St. Widge]

Does Gayle have the backbone to do it is the question. And I’m not sure she does.

She had the backbone to contact players and talk to players on her own and then decide to fire her HC when her GM had been reluctant to do it. I'd say she has plenty of backbone.

 

[SAINT BIGAL]

But I'm guessing that your son is not a multi million dollar paid pro athlete that is determined on his body being in top shape to earn his livelihood

That’s a pretty good guess!

 

[meily]

Yeah when a player dogs it or doesn't do what is needed to get his body ready to play or just does not seem to get it like Underhill said of Miller, yeah a HC takes it personal . They all do

Being the unprepared for a game is different than a nagging injury, especially a soft tissue injury, DA was cutting off his nose to despite his face by creating a personal vendetta against Miller.

 

[DSnfla]

Being the unprepared for a game is different than a nagging injury, especially a soft tissue injury, DA was cutting off his nose to despite his face by creating a personal vendetta against Miller.

I'm by no means a DA as a HC fan , he is a very good DC and a great DB's coach, but I think it's a lot more than the hammy issue. Listening to Underhill and Tripp , KM was not getting the new system that his head was not in the right place.