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[TheDeparted]

By beginning of one I meant Darth Maul, and Qui Jinn getting sliced in half, which was pretty awesome.

Oh. Well - that's kind of like the end of 1. It really was an entertaining sequence.

By end of III I meant when Vader was told Padme was dead, although I thought the screams were a bit over dramatic.

The whole thing felt a bit contrived to me though - like how he went directly to the full, mature Vader uniform, like they just had one laying around?

And really, the biggest problem I had were his reasons for turning to the Dark Side. Like, he was so stupid that he got tricked into turning to the dark side and slaughtered Jedi and children just to "save Padme" - who was still living? He should have wanted it. He should have tasted the power of the dark side and sought it out.

But whatever. I've only watched those films once or twice each, so I haven't over-analyzed them like the original trilogy.

 

[billinms]

Oh. Well - that's kind of like the end of 1. It really was an entertaining sequence.

Hell, maybe it was the end, I haven't rewatched them either. Either way, anytime Liam Neeson get's sliced in half it's a good thing.

 

[guidomerkinsrules]

I can't figure out if you're referring to the original trilogy or the prequels - but either way you're wrong.

Prequels and he's right - he's eliminating almost all jar jar and Anakin - that helps tremendously

 

[Sun Wukong]

The whole thing felt a bit contrived to me though - like how he went directly to the full, mature Vader uniform, like they just had one laying around?

And really, the biggest problem I had were his reasons for turning to the Dark Side. Like, he was so stupid that he got tricked into turning to the dark side and slaughtered Jedi and children just to "save Padme" - who was still living? He should have wanted it. He should have tasted the power of the dark side and sought it out.

But whatever. I've only watched those films once or twice each, so I haven't over-analyzed them like the original trilogy.

Here's a bullet points version of how Anakin's fall to the dark side SHOULD have happened:

- Anakin is raised a slave on a planet that is ostensibly part of the Republic, but, being on the Outer Rim, is still basically ruled by crime lords and relatively lawless. This fosters an extreme distrust of the Republic in him and he secretly harbors a desire for a more authoritative governing body for the galaxy.

- As a result of the way he grew up, Anakin has some severe anger issues. He is fundamentally a good person, but he has a tendency to snap and let his emotions get the better of him. Not having started Jedi training until a relatively late age, Anakin isn't nearly the stoic that other Jedi are. He is very much an emotional individual, for good or ill.

- The Clone Wars start. They drag on for a very long time. They start to take a toll on the Republic. Anakin starts to believe, of his own volition, that the Clone Wars are happening because the Republic was an inherently weak government, tying in to the first point.

- As the Clone Wars continue to drag on, Anakin witnesses more and more damage being done to innocent people. He starts to somewhat resent the Jedi because he believes their methods are too passive and that they have the power to end things decisively, but they want do it because of their dogmatic loyalty to the Jedi Code.

-Palpatine/Sidious picks up on this, and approaches Anakin. He appeals to his sense that the Republic is broken and says something new, something stronger and with immense central authority is needed. This appeals to Anakin. Palpatine says that they can make it happen and that he can give Anakin the power to save the Galaxy from this war that is tearing it apart.

-Palpatine begins tutoring Anakin in the ways of the dark side, but is not overt about it. He doesn't jump right out and say "I'm a Sith! You're Darth Vader now!" He just starts teaching him how to the use the force in more aggressive ways and with less inhibition. Anakin takes these new skills into the battlefield and starts seeing results. The other Jedi notice Anakin has become far more aggressive, but the Clone Wars are at a fever pitch and no one really has time to spend time worrying about it.

-Palpatine continues to train Anakin. Anakin's more agressive tactics are paying off in the battlefield, but the other Jedi have noticed that he is hardened and not nearly as compassionate as he used to be. Frustrated and disgusted by the war, he begins crossing lines no Jedi would ever cross in order to get results.

-The Jedi can no longer pretend that there isn't a problem and confront Anakin. Anakin responds by letting loose with his pent up anger, telling them that the Jedi have let countless millions die because they're too afraid of their own power, and that, in doing so, that blood in on their hands. He also begins ranting about the corruption and impotency of the Republic and blames it for suffering throughout the Galaxy- Not just the Clone Wars, which a strong government would have stopped before they started, but also for people like him, that are forgotten citizens. He immediately quits the order and says that if they are too weak to end things, he'll find a way to do it himself. The Jedi are stunned, but as precedent has shown others leave the order, ultimately powerless to stop him.

- Anakin begins operating as a free agent of sorts, with the backing of Palpatine. Despite his resignation from the Jedi, he is still a Commander in the Grand Army of the Republic and begins taking on missions with forces of his own. The Jedi are not happy about this, but are basically told that desperate times call for desperate measures.

- With each subsequent battle, Anakin loses a little bit more of his humanity. His tactics become straight up draconian. His anger fully manifested, he is fighting with hatred. Hatred for the enemy, but also hatred for the Republic and the Jedi. Palpatine appeals to this and fosters the anger.

- Eventually Anakin does something terrible in the name of what he deems to be the greater good. Obi-Wan can no longer stand by and let this continue, and they two have their confrontation. Anakin is not a Sith yet. He is not called Darth Vader. He is simply an ex-Jedi using his powers in ways that are now openly reprehensible and justifying it with his own rage. Obi-Wan views him as his mistake to put down. He wins the duel and Anakin is scarred beyond all recognition.

-Palpatine rescues a near-dead Anakin and points out the Jedi have betrayed him because they fear the fact that he isn't scared of his own power. He tells Anakin he can make him something more. He can make him something that will strike terror into anyone who dares oppose him. He can make him a Lord of the Sith, and with that power they can bring order to a galaxy engulfed in chaos. Darth Vader is born.

 

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[TheDeparted]

Here's a bullet points version of how Anakin's fall to the dark side SHOULD have happened:

- Anakin is raised a slave on a planet that is ostensibly part of the Republic, but, being on the Outer Rim, is still basically ruled by crime lords and relatively lawless. This fosters an extreme distrust of the Republic in him and he secretly harbors a desire for a more authoritative governing body for the galaxy.

- As a result of the way he grew up, Anakin has some severe anger issues. He is fundamentally a good person, but he has a tendency to snap and let his emotions get the better of him. Not having started Jedi training until a relatively late age, Anakin isn't nearly the stoic that other Jedi are. He is very much an emotional individual, for good or ill.

- The Clone Wars start. They drag on for a very long time. They start to take a toll on the Republic. Anakin starts to believe, of his own volition, that the Clone Wars are happening because the Republic was an inherently weak government, tying in to the first point.

- As the Clone Wars continue to drag on, Anakin witnesses more and more damage being done to innocent people. He starts to somewhat resent the Jedi because he believes their methods are too passive and that they have the power to end things decisively, but they want do it because of their dogmatic loyalty to the Jedi Code.

-Palpatine/Sidious picks up on this, and approaches Anakin. He appeals to his sense that the Republic is broken and says something new, something stronger and with immense central authority is needed. This appeals to Anakin. Palpatine says that they can make it happen and that he can give Anakin the power to save the Galaxy from this war that is tearing it apart.

-Palpatine begins tutoring Anakin in the ways of the dark side, but is not overt about it. He doesn't jump right out and say "I'm a Sith! You're Darth Vader now!" He just starts teaching him how to the use the force in more aggressive ways and with less inhibition. Anakin takes these new skills into the battlefield and starts seeing results. The other Jedi notice Anakin has become far more aggressive, but the Clone Wars are at a fever pitch and no one really has time to spend time worrying about it.

-Palpatine continues to train Anakin. Anakin's more agressive tactics are paying off in the battlefield, but the other Jedi have noticed that he is hardened and not nearly as compassionate as he used to be. Frustrated and disgusted by the war, he begins crossing lines no Jedi would ever cross in order to get results.

-The Jedi can no longer pretend that there isn't a problem and confront Anakin. Anakin responds by letting loose with his pent up anger, telling them that the Jedi have let countless millions die because they're too afraid of their own power, and that, in doing so, that blood in on their hands. He also begins ranting about the corruption and impotency of the Republic and blames it for suffering throughout the Galaxy- Not just the Clone Wars, which a strong government would have stopped before they started, but also for people like him, that are forgotten citizens. He immediately quits the order and says that if they are too weak to end things, he'll find a way to do it himself. The Jedi are stunned, but as precedent has shown others leave the order, ultimately powerless to stop him.

- Anakin begins operating as a free agent of sorts, with the backing of Palpatine. Despite his resignation from the Jedi, he is still a Commander in the Grand Army of the Republic and begins taking on missions with forces of his own. The Jedi are not happy about this, but are basically told that desperate times call for desperate measures.

- With each subsequent battle, Anakin loses a little bit more of his humanity. His tactics become straight up draconian. His anger fully manifested, he is fighting with hatred. Hatred for the enemy, but also hatred for the Republic and the Jedi. Palpatine appeals to this and fosters the anger.

- Eventually Anakin does something terrible in the name of what he deems to be the greater good. Obi-Wan can no longer stand by and let this continue, and they two have their confrontation. Anakin is not a Sith yet. He is not called Darth Vader. He is simply an ex-Jedi using his powers in ways that are now openly reprehensible and justifying it with his own rage. Obi-Wan views him as his mistake to put down. He wins the duel and Anakin is scarred beyond all recognition.

-Palpatine rescues a near-dead Anakin and points out the Jedi have betrayed him because they fear the fact that he isn't scared of his own power. He tells Anakin he can make him something more. He can make him something that will strike terror into anyone who dares oppose him. He can make him a Lord of the Sith, and with that power they can bring order to a galaxy engulfed in chaos. Darth Vader is born.

The trickiest part to me though, is if there is some way to keep Darth Vader's identity a secret until ESB? How can Obi-Wan's claim that "Vader betrayed and murdered your father" be made to seem plausible while also showing the fall of Anakin and the rise of Vader?

 

[RaginCajun83]

The trickiest part to me though, is if there is some way to keep Darth Vader's identity a secret until ESB? How can Obi-Wan's claim that "Vader betrayed and murdered your father" be made to seem plausible while also showing the fall of Anakin and the rise of Vader?

Obi-Wan bending the truth to keep Luke in the dark? It's plausible because in becoming Vader, Anakin died ..... It's all from a certain point of view

 

[GW93]

Here's a bullet points version of how Anakin's fall to the dark side SHOULD have happened:

- Anakin is raised a slave on a planet that is ostensibly part of the Republic, but, being on the Outer Rim, is still basically ruled by crime lords and relatively lawless. This fosters an extreme distrust of the Republic in him and he secretly harbors a desire for a more authoritative governing body for the galaxy.

- As a result of the way he grew up, Anakin has some severe anger issues. He is fundamentally a good person, but he has a tendency to snap and let his emotions get the better of him. Not having started Jedi training until a relatively late age, Anakin isn't nearly the stoic that other Jedi are. He is very much an emotional individual, for good or ill.

- The Clone Wars start. They drag on for a very long time. They start to take a toll on the Republic. Anakin starts to believe, of his own volition, that the Clone Wars are happening because the Republic was an inherently weak government, tying in to the first point.

- As the Clone Wars continue to drag on, Anakin witnesses more and more damage being done to innocent people. He starts to somewhat resent the Jedi because he believes their methods are too passive and that they have the power to end things decisively, but they want do it because of their dogmatic loyalty to the Jedi Code.

-Palpatine/Sidious picks up on this, and approaches Anakin. He appeals to his sense that the Republic is broken and says something new, something stronger and with immense central authority is needed. This appeals to Anakin. Palpatine says that they can make it happen and that he can give Anakin the power to save the Galaxy from this war that is tearing it apart.

-Palpatine begins tutoring Anakin in the ways of the dark side, but is not overt about it. He doesn't jump right out and say "I'm a Sith! You're Darth Vader now!" He just starts teaching him how to the use the force in more aggressive ways and with less inhibition. Anakin takes these new skills into the battlefield and starts seeing results. The other Jedi notice Anakin has become far more aggressive, but the Clone Wars are at a fever pitch and no one really has time to spend time worrying about it.

-Palpatine continues to train Anakin. Anakin's more agressive tactics are paying off in the battlefield, but the other Jedi have noticed that he is hardened and not nearly as compassionate as he used to be. Frustrated and disgusted by the war, he begins crossing lines no Jedi would ever cross in order to get results.

-The Jedi can no longer pretend that there isn't a problem and confront Anakin. Anakin responds by letting loose with his pent up anger, telling them that the Jedi have let countless millions die because they're too afraid of their own power, and that, in doing so, that blood in on their hands. He also begins ranting about the corruption and impotency of the Republic and blames it for suffering throughout the Galaxy- Not just the Clone Wars, which a strong government would have stopped before they started, but also for people like him, that are forgotten citizens. He immediately quits the order and says that if they are too weak to end things, he'll find a way to do it himself. The Jedi are stunned, but as precedent has shown others leave the order, ultimately powerless to stop him.

- Anakin begins operating as a free agent of sorts, with the backing of Palpatine. Despite his resignation from the Jedi, he is still a Commander in the Grand Army of the Republic and begins taking on missions with forces of his own. The Jedi are not happy about this, but are basically told that desperate times call for desperate measures.

- With each subsequent battle, Anakin loses a little bit more of his humanity. His tactics become straight up draconian. His anger fully manifested, he is fighting with hatred. Hatred for the enemy, but also hatred for the Republic and the Jedi. Palpatine appeals to this and fosters the anger.

- Eventually Anakin does something terrible in the name of what he deems to be the greater good. Obi-Wan can no longer stand by and let this continue, and they two have their confrontation. Anakin is not a Sith yet. He is not called Darth Vader. He is simply an ex-Jedi using his powers in ways that are now openly reprehensible and justifying it with his own rage. Obi-Wan views him as his mistake to put down. He wins the duel and Anakin is scarred beyond all recognition.

-Palpatine rescues a near-dead Anakin and points out the Jedi have betrayed him because they fear the fact that he isn't scared of his own power. He tells Anakin he can make him something more. He can make him something that will strike terror into anyone who dares oppose him. He can make him a Lord of the Sith, and with that power they can bring order to a galaxy engulfed in chaos. Darth Vader is born.

When the <I>Star Wars</I> well finally runs dry for Disney, the should remake the prequels using this as its plot. Bravo!

 

[billinms]

The trickiest part to me though, is if there is some way to keep Darth Vader's identity a secret until ESB? How can Obi-Wan's claim that "Vader betrayed and murdered your father" be made to seem plausible while also showing the fall of Anakin and the rise of Vader?

He wanted to hide the fact that Vader was his father. It was revealed in the cave.

 

[boutrous]

Here's a bullet points version of how Anakin's fall to the dark side SHOULD have happened:

:slow clap:

 

[TheDeparted]

Obi-Wan bending the truth to keep Luke in the dark? It's plausible because in becoming Vader, Anakin died ..... It's all from a certain point of view

:aargh:

No, I mean without setting off the audience's BS meter because they shouldn't already know that Anakin is Vader.

It was revealed in the cave.

There are many interpretations of his vision. Yours is the most obvious.

A more interesting interpretation is that, because Luke could not control his fear and was the first to draw his lightsaber, that he was in danger of falling to the dark side just like Vader.

 

[UncleTrvlingJim]

There are many interpretations of his vision. Yours is the most obvious.

A more interesting interpretation is that, because Luke could not control his fear and was the first to draw his lightsaber, that he was in danger of falling to the dark side just like Vader.

That was my interpretation... I always thought the point of the cave was to show Luke (and the audience), how thin the line is between the dark side and the light. Rage, fear, anger is in all of us --- and if we don't control it, it will consume us.

 

[billinms]

I'm far too shallow to look beyond the obvious.

 

[TheDeparted]

I'm far too shallow to look beyond the obvious.

:apat:

It's a simpler, happier life.

 

[TheDeparted]

My wife just sent me a link to this lamp. I'm not sure if I should buy it or not. I could set it up in my office and turn off the fluorescent lamps like Joe in Joe vs the Volcano.

"I know he can get the job...I'm not arguing that with you!"