Surprise Emergency Room Bill (1 Viewer)

A law passed by Congress to end one of the most hated practices in US medicine – surprise billing – has become a behind-the-scenes battleground between doctors and insurers.

The No Surprises Act was passed in 2020 in a rare bipartisan effort to end so-called surprise or balance billing – a practice where healthcare providers who do not have contracts with insurance companies charged patients directly for hundreds or thousands of dollars.

“One of the important things to remember is the core purpose of the law was to protect consumers from getting these surprise balance bills,” said Jack Hoadley, an emeritus research professor at the Health Policy Institute of Georgetown University. “That part of the law is actually working quite well by all indications.”

But litigation and aggressive billing by physician staffing companies, some backed by private equity, have continued as insurance companies and doctors duke it out in court. The result is an enormous backlog of cases in arbitration, cashflow problems for independent doctors, and the potential for patients to once again be stuck with the costs. Some argue that there’s also a balance of power tilted toward insurance companies.

Notably, surprise bills often arrive after emergency situations. Ambulances, emergency room doctors and anesthesiologists are among the most likely to send such unwelcome statements.

With patients unable to choose a physician for most emergency services, private equity-backed physician staffing agencies became key players in surprise billing. Companies stayed out-of-network for all or most insurance plans, which allowed patients to inadvertently see doctors not coveredby insurance (“out-of-network”) even at hospitals that insurance approved. As a result, staffing companies in effect charged patients whatever they wanted after the fact…….

 
tangential:
My wife finally snapped and took our youngest into Children’s ER (he’s had a lingering cough and sporadic fever for weeks)
She texted to say how efficient the ER was but added she’ll tell me why in person

Evidently a kid was in ER a few months ago complaining of an asthma attack and the hospital didn’t do anything and then the kid passed😢
(Our friend’s mom works with Children’s nurses and told us the story)
So seemingly the ER had a come to Jesus and addressed a lot of issues
Hopefully it sticks
 
tangential:
My wife finally snapped and took our youngest into Children’s ER (he’s had a lingering cough and sporadic fever for weeks)
She texted to say how efficient the ER was but added she’ll tell me why in person

Evidently a kid was in ER a few months ago complaining of an asthma attack and the hospital didn’t do anything and then the kid passed😢
(Our friend’s mom works with Children’s nurses and told us the story)
So seemingly the ER had a come to Jesus and addressed a lot of issues
Hopefully it sticks
Our daughter was medevac'd to Children's National in DC. The helicopter ride alone was $21,000, never mind the 5-day stay. Thank God for state of Maryland insurance or we'd be sunk. This was 11 years ago, I don't think we paid anything other than copays. This is how it should be for everyone.

Ella is now a happy, healthy, very bright 11 year-old (going on 30 :hihi: ) whose love is riding horses. To say we're grateful does not begin to scratch the surface. It was touch and go there for awhile.
 
Our daughter was medevac'd to Children's National in DC. The helicopter ride alone was $21,000, never mind the 5-day stay. Thank God for state of Maryland insurance or we'd be sunk. This was 11 years ago, I don't think we paid anything other than copays. This is how it should be for everyone.

Ella is now a happy, healthy, very bright 11 year-old (going on 30 :hihi: ) whose love is riding horses. To say we're grateful does not begin to scratch the surface. It was touch and go there for awhile.
I remember that - it was a scary enough time on the board just reading that - can’t even fathom what it was like for y’all then
Glad she’s good
 
I realize this is the 7th page of this thread, but I don’t think I’ve mentioned this anecdotal experience, at least not in this particular thread- last year while working in Asia i had what i thought might be covid, i went to an ER in Thailand - fwiw a beautiful, modern facility that resembled a five star hotel- i was seen almost immediately , consulted with TWO physicians who ran some tests on me.. turned out to be a run-of-the-mill bacterial infection for which they prescribed three antibiotics, and it cleared up quick.. Total cost of visiting the ER, seeing two doctors, tests and antibiotics was a grand total of… $83 US dollars… not a typo… Now might be a good time to reassert what I’ve said in other threads which is that the American healthcare system is a total SCAM designed to keep you sick and make you broke .
 
I remember that - it was a scary enough time on the board just reading that - can’t even fathom what it was like for y’all then
Glad she’s good
It is one instance where the healthcare system worked; Children's National, the ENT surgeon who operated on Ella at 3 months, The helicopter pilots, @FLIPPY the RT's, SLP's, her Pediatrician (who still refers to Ella as "My little troublemaker"), and so on. Too many to name, but gratitude doesn't cover it...
 
tangential:
My wife finally snapped and took our youngest into Children’s ER (he’s had a lingering cough and sporadic fever for weeks)
She texted to say how efficient the ER was but added she’ll tell me why in person

Evidently a kid was in ER a few months ago complaining of an asthma attack and the hospital didn’t do anything and then the kid passed😢
(Our friend’s mom works with Children’s nurses and told us the story)
So seemingly the ER had a come to Jesus and addressed a lot of issues
Hopefully it sticks

more tangenital...

my youngest sustained a concussion Sunday at cheer camp. We had to drive up to get her sunday eve.

Monday woke seemingly ok. In order to return to camp, she had to be cleared by dr So we went to an Urgent care locally who said they couldnt do the exam - she would have to go to ER or Primary. Primary said they didnt have the ability to clear from concussion, so ER it was.

ER doc runs some tests and i get a call at work saying they are taking her back for CAT scan. Apparently she had some reflex reaction that wasnt right and some number questions that werent right. But a CAT SCAN?

CAT scan was clear. She was released but 14 day restriction.

As my wife was checking out, the ER Doc came up and said " sorry- i have had 2 children in last 12 months come in with head injuries, that checked out fine, and within 24 were being airlifted to Childrens due to brain bleed" :eek:

So i know this trip is going to cost me ( my @#$W#$%#$%#$ ER COPY IS $750!!!!- which that is discussion for another day ) but i totally get the ER Doctors angle.
 
You best believe we’re going to circle back to your needing 3 antibiotic shots on your last trip to Thailand
Know that😜




Lmao.. three antibiotic prescription meds, not shots.. i hate needles.. but yeah, i honestly wish it was that exciting , it was basically a bad cold with some type of sinus infection thrown in.. not covid, and not anything exotic…. Maybe next time !!
 

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