Opinion The chance to get a top tier HC has come and gone (34 Viewers)

[Rexman100]

McCarthy is already a divisive figure to the fanbase.

If he's hired, many will grant him the honeymoon period and their support, but he will have to be successful quickly, given his experience.

Reason to hire McCarthy (not in any order):

He had past success as Saints OC, which vaulted him into a HC candidate.

Experienced and won a Super Bowl

Would be reasonably expected to develop Rattler or another new guy, and stabilize the QB room.

He will run a two-tight end set, which the Saints have never done and in my opinion is fairly unstoppable having two receiving tight ends in the scheme at the same time.

An offensive coach coaches the QB directly. We will not lose a hot OC with him there. Hire a D coach, and any successful OC will be poached.

Reason not to hire McCarthy:

While I would not expect all Saints fans in the Dallas media market to agree with me, the reason I am not impressed is that he did not, in my opinion, move the needle at all in 5 years in Dallas. He inherited Dak, Zeke, Amari Cooper and CeeDee was brought in. He inherited Zach Martin, Tyron Smith, and others. They had defensive talent and improved it to a stout pressure defense. Of course they won a ton of regular season games, and in a division the Giants and Eagles were pathetic. Come playoff time, herpa derpa three times, and massively outcoached by Shanny twice and LaFleur. Offense and defense failed. Only win was against our division and an 8-9 Bucs team.

He had playcalling controversy with Kellen Moore because, why did Dak not improve?

He's a bore. Not a problem for alot of you, but he's a yes man (opposite of Payton), because when he was more assertive, he alienated Rodgers. He's known for throwing alot of short outs and curls toward the sideline.

He has struggled to produce offensively against 2-deep safety zone coverage. He does not always value a balanced attack, leaning more on short passes from the old West Coach scheme. Did McCarthy demand FA Derrick Henry last year? Does not seem likely. Why not?

Ya'll say Loomis and Gayle will give him whatever he wants, but let's be honest. Loomis assaulted the cap. Not much to give.

Mike took 2019 to by his account freshen up on modern offenses. Made zero difference in Dallas. Hence why I call him outdated.

Is Mike a team-builder? Not alot there in my opinion.

If the Saints hire him:

The running back room must be stocked and not shortchanged by Loomis like it has been forever. Look at Ohio State and having two dynamic runners/pass catchers.

The drafting of non-pro-bowl "JAGS" must end. No more Foskey misses, no more drafting dudes high from University of Texas San Antonio at Northern Iowa. Mike had better show he can commandeer the draft room, because Loomis sucks in the draft room since 2016-17.

Who on SR is all-in on McCarthy? The sunshine pumpers who shake their body parts at those of us who embrace the higher standard Sean Payton gave our team, and have no tolerance to backsliding to J.D. Roberts era Saints.

Ya'll be can be happy if they hire him, but for me, he'll have no slack in his leash because he's such a "great coach - on paper."

The saints haven’t even seen the playoffs in 4 years. So us complaining about not beating the eventual NFC champ 49ers would be a huge improvement. Dak under Vince Lombardi wasn’t beating SF at their best. A great coach gets you to the playoffs, but you need an elite Qb to advance. Mike and Carr will get us to the playoffs. Where we’ll be one and done. Fools will complain, but the more understanding will know that we’re an elite QB from winning it all. And that can happen at anytime. Some QBs are immediately ready. Some take 3-4 years. Goff and Darnold could’ve been had for peanuts. So there’s hope outside of developing a #1 overall rookie into a franchise Qb.

 

[St. Geezy]

Define top tier?

Some would say McCarthy, but if he’s top tier why is not interviewing with literally anyone else?

Some say Glenn. Some say Moore. Some say Johnson. Maybe someone out there says Kafka.

Maybe we should define top tier as someone interviewing with 3 or more franchises?

I dunno what top tier means nor how it’s defined in this head coaching discussion.

My theory - because word is out on him. Maybe not necessarily that he’s going to New Orleans, but that he’s not taking interviews with the teams with open jobs.

There is no way a guy with his credentials would be getting absolutely no play whatsoever from anyone otherwise IMO.

So much goes on behind the scenes, and there was even an article with sources claiming all the way back in early January that he was angling his way out of Dallas specifically for the New Orleans job.

 

[Boy_of_wonder75]

We could have gotten a top tier Head Coach when SP left.

Look at where the franchise was then ( a few short years ago ) and look where it is now.

The franchise is meaningfully worse today than when SP left.

The Saints are the worst or 2nd to worst job in the cycle. That’s being proven out daily. Aaron Glenn chose the Jets not the Saints. The Jets are a better job even with their Ownership situation.

The Saints fall has been so sharp and fast it’s shocking. But when you look at the moves that have been since SP left - you just can’t overcome the mistakes it’s been 90%+ misses in every department. Coaching hires , scouting , pro personnel , draft production -

Our best draft pick is Olave who isn’t going to make it and already wants out of New Orleans.

lol

Ok, Chicken Little.

 

[DerrickB]

We could have gotten a top tier Head Coach when SP left.

Look at where the franchise was then ( a few short years ago ) and look where it is now.

The franchise is meaningfully worse today than when SP left.

The Saints are the worst or 2nd to worst job in the cycle. That’s being proven out daily. Aaron Glenn chose the Jets not the Saints. The Jets are a better job even with their Ownership situation.

The Saints fall has been so sharp and fast it’s shocking. But when you look at the moves that have been since SP left - you just can’t overcome the mistakes it’s been 90%+ misses in every department. Coaching hires , scouting , pro personnel , draft production -

Our best draft pick is Olave who isn’t going to make it and already wants out of New Orleans.

Any truth to this?

 

[Semper]

We could have gotten a top tier Head Coach when SP left.

Look at where the franchise was then ( a few short years ago ) and look where it is now.

The franchise is meaningfully worse today than when SP left.

The Saints are the worst or 2nd to worst job in the cycle. That’s being proven out daily. Aaron Glenn chose the Jets not the Saints. The Jets are a better job even with their Ownership situation.

The Saints fall has been so sharp and fast it’s shocking. But when you look at the moves that have been since SP left - you just can’t overcome the mistakes it’s been 90%+ misses in every department. Coaching hires , scouting , pro personnel , draft production -

Our best draft pick is Olave who isn’t going to make it and already wants out of New Orleans.

Imagine Ricky Jackson had an opportunity to coach and the Saints were one of those teams. Do you see him going anywhere else? Glenn wanted to be a Jet. He has history there. Every year a team from the bottom rises. Next year we hopefully have some starters back, a new coach and a favorable schedule.

 

[Hubig]

The Saints/Glenn hype just seems more of a local media thing to me. Detroit has way more talent on D than the Saints and the best he mustered was 19th ranked in 2023. That offense carries that team, you're just asking the defense to get a few stops per game while the offense cooks teams. Even if you chop up 2024 to injuries, which is very very fair imo.

What Brady has done in Buffalo has been way more impressive. That offense was sputtering hard which caused the OC to get fired after a 5-5 start. Nov 14th of 2023 Brady took over and the offense has looked so much better since. Buffalo sent Diggs packing, a 1183 yard, 8TD WR and still managed to churn out a top 10 in total offense, no. 2 in points, turned Josh Allen into a MVP candidate. Josh Allen has cut his INT's down by over half this year as well, from 14 in '23 to 6 in '24.

 

[saintsmarchin]

The next head coach

 

[DSnfla]

The Saints/Glenn hype just seems more of a local media thing to me. Detroit has way more talent on D than the Saints and the best he mustered was 19th ranked in 2023. That offense carries that team, you're just asking the defense to get a few stops per game while the offense cooks teams. Even if you chop up 2024 to injuries, which is very very fair imo.

What Brady has done in Buffalo has been way more impressive. That offense was sputtering hard which caused the OC to get fired after a 5-5 start. Nov 14th of 2023 Brady took over and the offense has looked so much better since. Buffalo sent Diggs packing, a 1183 yard, 8TD WR and still managed to churn out a top 10 in total offense, no. 2 in points, turned Josh Allen into a MVP candidate. Josh Allen has cut his INT's down by over half this year as well, from 14 in '23 to 6 in '24.

I disagree, the yr before Dorsey had them #4 in offense scoring 28.4 a game and they went 13-3. They were 5-5 in 23 scoring 26.4 pts a game. After Dorsey was fired they scored 27 pts a game hardly any difference
Brady took an already elite QB a top 4 QB and just made him run the ball more . His Ints are down because he's had the least attempts in his career except for his rookie yr when he only started 11 games.

When you run the ball more and throw the ball less not so many picks