The Jets and Derek Carr (2 Viewers)

[HouseCall]

The Jets painted themselves into a corner with the handling of the Carr situation and are now in desperation mode. It will be interesting to see how it plays out.

Robert Saleh is in a similar situation to Dennis Allen, in that he’s basically got to win and win quickly or be on the chopping block.

The Jets have some young talent but they need a veteran QB to push things forward. Carr was the perfect fit for their needs. He’s got some fire and knows the landscape of the AFC. I have no doubt that anyone who knows actual Xs and Os football in the Jets camp wanted Carr. It makes too much sense.

But the Rodgers possibility made them push pause on Carr and he went to the team that actually wanted him outright.

Much like the Saints and Dolphins with Brees in 2006.

Sometimes you want to be where you’re wanted most.

Carr will not regret the decision because he’s about to feel a love from Saints Nation that he’s never felt before as a pro.

The Jets are either going to overpay for Rodgers or overpay for Jimmy G now.

It makes me so grateful that the Saints brass did what they needed to do to get their guy and that the Jets overplayed their hand to nudge Carr to us.

 

[Saintman2884]

The Jets painted themselves into a corner with the handling of the Carr situation and are now in desperation mode. It will be interesting to see how it plays out.

Robert Saleh is in a similar situation to Dennis Allen, in that he’s basically got to win and win quickly or be on the chopping block.

The Jets have some young talent but they need a veteran QB to push things forward. Carr was the perfect fit for their needs. He’s got some fire and knows the landscape of the AFC. I have no doubt that anyone who knows actual Xs and Os football in the Jets camp wanted Carr. It makes too much sense.

But the Rodgers possibility made them push pause on Carr and he went to the team that actually wanted him outright.

Much like the Saints and Dolphins with Brees in 2006.

Sometimes you want to be where you’re wanted most.

Carr will not regret the decision because he’s about to feel a love from Saints Nation that he’s never felt before as a pro.

The Jets are either going to overpay for Rodgers or overpay for Jimmy G now.

It makes me so grateful that the Saints brass did what they needed to do to get their guy and that the Jets overplayed their hand to nudge Carr to us.

Your above post made inferences to this, but when the Saints brass and DA met with Carr in Indy last week, they told him that he was and remains their biggest, top priority, that he would be our best QB and provide our best chance of winning consistently since Brees and that we wanted and needed him badly and were willing to give him a contract commensurate with these suggestions or arguments.

Creating, or crafting a sales pitch scenario where you tell probably the best FA QB in this off-season that's he wanted and needed engenders an enormous psychological boost. Sure, we're stroking his ego but in a good, professional way that assures him that we're above board, that he believes New Orleans is a city and team he'd love to play and live in, too like Brees did during his career. Carr knows the NFC South is a division right now where getting 9-10 wins it and you get a home playoff game, and that this team has a good roster and enough potential talent to make some interesting things happen.

The Jets gave him mixed signals, at best. Everyone in the organization, from assistant coaches, Saleh, GM, and most of the team's roster wanted Carr except the one person whose opinion matters the most, and has largely ensured the Jets have remained mediocre, at best, for the majority of his tenure as owner because he wanted to "wait and see" if Aaron Rodgers was going to be available so while Carr was a top option, in Woody Johnson's eyes, he was the fallback option in case Rodgers was unattainable. We like you, Derek, but we like Aaron quite a bit more and that's not how you treat very good, former 4-time Pro-Bowl QB who has looked very good often while being surrounded by less-than-average supporting casts or old, retread HC's like Jack Del Rio and Jon Gruden. They didnt make him feel like he was their top priority, and in the NFL, its a common, overused adage but is prescient regarding this situation: You don't decide to sign and play for a team where you're not the top priority and the team's owner never really wanted you.

 

[Rexman100]

Perhaps the most fascinating sideshow with the Saints' signing of Derek Carr is fate of the New York Jets and their front office. My sense--yes, this is speculation so don't ask for confirming links--is that if the Jets had pursued Carr as vigorously as the Saints, Carr would have opted for the Jets. But the Saints communicated to Carr that we want you, we want you badly, and we want to sign you now. The Jets communicated to Carr that we like you, but we like Aaron Rodgers more, and we can't commit to you until we learn what Rodgers wants to do. And Carr moved on.

Question: If Rodgers decides to retire (unlikely) or decides to return to Green Bay (very possible), or if Green Bay, thinking the Jets are desperate, demands two first-round picks or even more for Rodgers, what are the Jets going to do? It seems that the Jets have put themselves in a tight spot. And if they do not improve the quarterback position and have a season in 2023 like 2022, people at the top of the organization are going to lose their jobs.

It seems like the jets always give up on their best players before they develop Or before their time. If I were them, I’d continue to try and develop their rookie Qb. They loved him a year ago and now he’s absolute garbage? if he’s not ready to start then pick up an AD type and let the guy develop.

 

[Saints 4 life]

 

[2009ring]

Even with a past-his-prime Favre playing for them in 2008, he still led them to a 9-7 and would've clinched a WC spot if they hadn't lost in the final regular-season game to a Miami team led by former Jets QB and (criminally underrated) QB Chad Pennington coming in and pulling off the upset and ultimately, winning a AFC East division title that in retrospect, neither team likely gets anywhere close to if Tom Brady hadn't been knocked out for that entire season in Week 1 vs. Chiefs when a Chiefs LB tore his ACL on a low, borderline dirty hit that if it happened today to a Mahomes or Josh Allen, would see large sections of Chiefs and Bills fans being forcibly held back from storming the field to settle the score with the butt crevasse who seemingly tried to end a NFL legend's career.

9-7 is a record most Jets fans would be delicious for now since they haven't had a winning season in almost 8 seasons and that was when a plucky, cheeky underrated QB by the name of Ryan Fitzpatrick was their starter. A well-traveled, quirky, but sometimes successful, streaky QB who was capable of throwing 350 yards and 4 TD's for 1-2 games, then go 13-28, pass 240 yards while throwing 1 TD and a couple of picks in the subsequent next 3-4 games.

If Jets fans are thrilled at 9-7 then they should just switch to being Giants fans and they'd be happy most years.

 

[oysters]

We need an emoji that indicates that I'm displeased with the content of the post but not the poster. I want to give the Falcon but directed at the tweet not the post.

 

[Clintonrebel]

Jets got played. Carr didn't want to play in that mess.

 

[ilvdsnts]

Someone is not paying attention.

The Saints had DC at "Hello". The Jets were never in the discussion, they were just a detractor.

I agree. I think when DC came dor his visit before the cut/trade seasline, they worked out a deal then but had a handshake agreement for DC to go on “free agent visits” so it wasn’t obvious they were forking the raiders out of a trade opportunity because we know riger would get all up in his feelings.

 

[Saint Jack]

I just can’t help but laugh at the Jets coverage.
For an organization that is so confused, inept, and dumb; they sure get a lot of coverage.
This is a franchise that has only won 2 division titles since 1970!

 

[Saint Jack]

Side bar.
But is there any reason why anyone would choose the Jets over the Giants? They’re in the same stadium so distance isn’t a issue.
I know the Giants haven’t been great recently, but you got the Parcells/Coughlin years to look at fondly.

 

[Saint Greg]

I just can’t help but laugh at the Jets coverage.
For an organization that is so confused, inept, and dumb; they sure get a lot of coverage.
This is a franchise that has only won 2 division titles since 1970!

For some reason much of the media is made up of Jets fans. You would think they'd be Giants fans but they aren't.

 

[Saint Jack]

Side bar.
But is there any reason why anyone would choose the Jets over the Giants? They’re in the same stadium so distance isn’t a issue.
I know the Giants haven’t been great recently, but you got the Parcells/Coughlin years to look at fondly.

 

[SWJJ]

Side bar.
But is there any reason why anyone would choose the Jets over the Giants? They’re in the same stadium so distance isn’t a issue.
I know the Giants haven’t been great recently, but you got the Parcells/Coughlin years to look at fondly.

 

[Doug B]

But is there any reason why anyone would choose the Jets over the Giants?

When the Jets moved to Shea Stadium in 1964, they became "Long Island's team" in a way. Football fans from Brooklyn and Queens wouldn't have to schlep to the Polo Grounds in upper Manhattan anymore (or worse, to Yankee Stadium in the Bronx to watch the so-so Giants).

Shortly after that was Broadway Joe, the Heidi Bowl**,"the guarantee", and a Super Bowl III victory. The Jets lived off of that season for over a decade as Long Islanders wrapped both arms around their Jets.

Both the Jets and Giants kind of floated through mediocrity in the 1970s. In the seasons immediately before Bill Parcells made the Giants relevant, the Jets were relevant again and the toast of New York for a few seasons behind star defenders Marc Gastineau and Joe Klecko -- the vaunted New York Sack Exchange.

In 1984, the Jets left Queens to play in Giants' Stadium. Jets' owner Leon Hess knew that leaving Shea Stadium and the Long Island fanship was chancy, and tried to negotiate with the city to modernize Shea Stadium and for some extra concessions for his team. The city and the team could not come to an agreement in the end.

So anyway. Imagine that the AFL had a New Orleans team competing against the Saints, but they played in Algiers. Before long, they'd become "The West Bank's team" and probably be bitter rivals with the Saints. And then imagine that the Algiers team had some early success with some exciting teams and iconic players while the Saints floundered. That's kind of how Jets' fanship was built.

** yes, the Heidi Bowl was a Jets regular season loss -- but it added to the young team's lore.

 

[jasonsw]

I’m thinking what the Jets are going to do is…. Be the Jets.

Thanks Jets!

Hey if the Jets land Rogers it will be the second washed up Green Bay QB that they land in recent memory.