The Loomis narrative (1 Viewer)

[guidomerkinsrules]

I don't mean to be rude, BUT...

You can keep that.

it’s my culture

 

[Noble Saint]

I’m in the minority not having a big issue with him. My main complaint though is he points to the fans as the biggest letdown of the season. He literally said the fans selling their tickets to Lions fans was the low point of the season. Then goes on to say numerous times that he gets it. Fans had a chance to put some cash in their pockets during a time they really needed it and took advantage of it. Wtf is he talking about? Saints fans are poor and need to sell their tickets to survive? And again, no one is making money off their seats this year. Some games you couldn’t get 25% back if you couldn’t go. Some games you couldn’t even sell them period. He doesn’t realize the product was so bad that if other teams we played at home this season travelled better, the Lions game wouldn’t have stood out.

Pretty insulting to call out your season ticket holders as being the reason for the low point of the season. Did he not watch his team blow a 17 point lead with 12 minutes left in Green Bay?

Are we next to have a meeting with him where he talks down to us about culture?

 

[Boy_of_wonder75]

I don't mean to be rude, BUT...

You can keep that. Either be rude or not, your choice.

"Discussion" is over.

I see. You just want to say whatever pops into your head but you don't want anyone to comment on it.

 

[Noble Saint]

Here’s one:

Mickey Loomis shares out-of-touch takeaways on Saints' ailing offense

Mickey Loomis has nothing but out-of-touch commentary on the state of the Saints offense. It doesn’t matter if you gain yards if you can’t score points:

saintswire.usatoday.com

In one of his WWL interviews he also shaded fans by saying they weren’t showing up and supporting the team because they were essentially poor and needed to sell their tickets to visitors for money. I can’t remember which week. Go to WWL and look.

He did it twice. After the lions game and then one of the first shows after Christmas.

 

[NatureBoy]

I see. You just want to say whatever pops into your head but you don't want anyone to comment on it.

Feel free to respond however you want, my reply wasn't to you.

 

[SigFreudianSlip]

He gave an interview at one point where he was openly hostile to the fans and journalists. Blamed low attendance on the economy instead of a trash on field product and got really rude towards any journalist that dare question Allen.

This is it for me.

 

[Boy_of_wonder75]

Feel free to respond however you want, my reply wasn't to you.

But you do realize it was made in public? On a public forum?

 

[DaveXA]

Thanks, so he is indeed Lucky Loo. Hiring Sean seems to be the only thing he got right, and now he's winging it.

I really don't think he's winging it. Winging it would be hiring and firing a coach every season or 2. Winging it would be running through QBs until finding the one. Winging it would be managing the cap without a plan.

He's done none of those things. If anything, it's precisely the opposite. He's conservative and patient to a fault. He probably gives a little too much rope to coaches. He uses a longer timeline than just about any other GM to manage the cap. He defers football matters to the coaches.

His approach only works if you have a very strong, detail oriented coach like Payton. Allen is really a poor fit, and I think where Loomis falls short is evaluating personnel. He whiffed with the Allen hire, and he was really fortunate with the Payton hire.

I don't like calling him lucky because that sells short the real work he's done over the years. There's certainly luck involved, but you have to have competence as well, especially over a long period of time.

All that said, Loomis is probably nearing the end of his career and I hope they do their homework in passing the baton to someone else. I think some self reflection might be in order and maybe be willing to make some real changes this offseason. Change and rebuilding culture is hard, but worth the effort. Won't always work, but nothing happens if you don't make a push.

 

[NatureBoy]

But you do realize it was made in public? On a public forum?

My response was to another poster. It has nothing to do with you or anyone else. It was directed at that poster only. Sorry if it came across any different.

 

[No2DC]

I really don't think he's winging it. Winging it would be hiring and firing a coach every season or 2. Winging it would be running through QBs until finding the one. Winging it would be managing the cap without a plan.

He's done none of those things. If anything, it's precisely the opposite. He's conservative and patient to a fault. He probably gives a little too much rope to coaches. He uses a longer timeline than just about any other GM to manage the cap. He defers football matters to the coaches.

His approach only works if you have a very strong, detail oriented coach like Payton. Allen is really a poor fit, and I think where Loomis falls short is evaluating personnel. He whiffed with the Allen hire, and he was really fortunate with the Payton hire.

I don't like calling him lucky because that sells short the real work he's done over the years. There's certainly luck involved, but you have to have competence as well, especially over a long period of time.

All that said, Loomis is probably nearing the end of his career and I hope they do their homework in passing the baton to someone else. I think some self reflection might be in order and maybe be willing to make some real changes this offseason. Change and rebuilding culture is hard, but worth the effort. Won't always work, but nothing happens if you don't make a push.

I call him Lucky Loo because Sean seems to have been a lucky hire by a guy whose background is on the financial side, not player or coach evals. Winging it is hyperbole, but the Allen hire made no sense. I mean, who vouched for Allen outside of Payton? If Allen was a first-time guy, I think most of us would give him a pass, but he was a losing coach when we hired him. So yes, winging it may be extreme, but he seems like he's doubling down on a bad decision at this point.

 

[Boy_of_wonder75]

My response was to another poster. It has nothing to do with you or anyone else. It was directed at that poster only. Sorry if it came across any different.

Again, you know how this works, right?

 

[solarbear88]

Loomis strikes me as a fossil, believing what worked 20 years ago will work today.

My biggest issue is his repeatedly bad drafting. He only nets about 2 starters for the team each year. Payton covered it up a lot by asking for players and using a lot of mediocre athletes who had a good feel for the game. And Brees covered up a lot of poor linemen and receivers. DA just can't win without a talent advantage.

Loomis strikes me as your typical CEO, doubling down on mistakes or maybe not able to see his own mistakes and blaming stakeholders for their attitude instead of improving.

• His choice of DA was weak and won't do anything to fix it.
• His strategy of keeping players till they die of old age is expensive and not working today.
• Since 2017 his drafting has been abysmal.
• His free agent choices this year seem poor. I'd rather have Onymatta and Ellis than Moreau, Saunders, Shepherd and Williams.
• Choices like Davenport vs Hendricks... Wtf?
• Committed to Carr without really doing the homework.
• He treats the fans with contempt.

 

[No2DC]

It a stretch at all - you may be right and none of us are really going to know (insert Mora quote here)
But this was my reply yesterday to a similar prompt

 

[Optimistic Ozzy]

Possibly but not probably
So not pure and nowhere close to simple
I understand the desire to reduce ideas down to manageable sizes but running an NFL team is pretty dang far from an Occam’s Razor equation

It isn't rocket science to know that DA is not head coaching material. KISS

 

[Nonreg]

After reading the comment's in this thread; its obviously a narrative the fans are pushing and eventually it becomes real because so many people are chanting it.