Time to end this circus: Saints have wasted 3 years of our time (merged) (5 Viewers)

[Nemo]

It is time for a top to bottom housecleaning. Rizzi is a nice guy and a solid special teams coach. He is not HC material. (unless the master plan is to field a bad team while clearing the cap for a real HC hire in a few years). All coordinators and position coaches must go. We have overpaid for washed up players and are paying the price for this now. We have a handful of young players on each side of the ball worth keeping but there is not a single all pro difference maker on this roster that another team would trade a 1st round pick+ to acquire - including the pile of injured players and those on IR.

Anyone involved in strength and condition program needs to be fired on day 1 of the new regime.

But this biggest change that must be made before any progress can be made is getting rid of Mickey Loomis. He and Payton caught lightning in a bottle with Drew Brees. Brees is to Payton/Loomis as Brady was to Bellicheck. Neither coach/GM has done squat minus the first ballot HOF QB. Neither could obtain and developed a competent replacement QB. Loomis understandably kicked the can down the road on the cap when Brees was in the building. But once that ship sailed Loomis kept chopping wood, whiffed on multiple drafts, let good young players walk and traded away draft picks to move up for overrated prospects who were a terrible reach. It is hardly surprising that we are where we are. For Loomis to smack his gum last offseason, compare DA to Chuck Knoll and Bill Bellicheck and tell the fans we did not know what we were talking about - that DA was a great coach - says a lot about his lack of competence as a GM. The fact that he was reluctant to let DA go in season makes clear that he is the one who must go.

Time to burn it down and start over. Even with a great coaching hire (which Loomis is not qualified to make) it will take the Saints 3 years to turn over this terrible roster and get rid of the dead money dragging this team down.

 

[Vision]

It is time for a top to bottom housecleaning. Rizzi is a nice guy and a solid special teams coach. He is not HC material. (unless the master plan is to field a bad team while clearing the cap for a real HC hire in a few years). All coordinators and position coaches must go. We have overpaid for washed up players and are paying the price for this now. We have a handful of young players on each side of the ball worth keeping but there is not a single all pro difference maker on this roster that another team would trade a 1st round pick+ to acquire - including the pile of injured players and those on IR.

Anyone involved in strength and condition program needs to be fired on day 1 of the new regime.

But this biggest change that must be made before any progress can be made is getting rid of Mickey Loomis. He and Payton caught lightning in a bottle with Drew Brees. Brees is to Payton/Loomis as Brady was to Bellicheck. Neither coach/GM has done squat minus the first ballot HOF QB. Neither could obtain and developed a competent replacement QB. Loomis understandably kicked the can down the road on the cap when Brees was in the building. But once that ship sailed Loomis kept chopping wood, whiffed on multiple drafts, let good young players walk and traded away draft picks to move up for overrated prospects who were a terrible reach. It is hardly surprising that we are where we are. For Loomis to smack his gum last offseason, compare DA to Chuck Knoll and Bill Bellicheck and tell the fans we did not know what we were talking about - that DA was a great coach - says a lot about his lack of competence as a GM. The fact that he was reluctant to let DA go in season makes clear that he is the one who must go.

Time to burn it down and start over. Even with a great coaching hire (which Loomis is not qualified to make) it will take the Saints 3 years to turn over this terrible roster and get rid of the dead money dragging this team down.

Our linebackers. Um I don't like them davis gay werner nope don't like em.

 

[picnicwithfish]

Not going to lie. Team looks bad. No quick fix. We need to hit on some draft picks. With that said, try to judge what you are seeing with how different we could look if we were healthy (yes I know injuries are a part of the game but you can’t ignore how many of our main core players are out). Plus, if you are riled up about this particular game, this is not a cold weather team which is magnifying all our issues. Practicing in a walk in freezer doesn’t quite do the trick when it comes to the frozen tundra winds.

 

[Bourbon]

Loomis continuing to be GM is a cancer.

 

[picnicwithfish]

Loomis continuing to be GM is a cancer.

Loomis really benefited by his ability to manipulate the cap before it was really noticeable. Unfortunately, that only works for so long and eventually you run out of road to kick the can. We weren’t complaining when we were a perennially playoff team but now his method of how he manages has overtaken its ability to work.

 

[HoustonGold]

Actually it is 4 years. 4 years no playoffs.

 

[RaginSaint93]

Refuse to rebuild after Drew and Sean left really hurt them

 

[j4m2b]

I agree with everything you say; however, with the right coach i still think we can be in the playoffs next year by way of winning our division. Our division is mediocre.

Having said that, the weakness of our division could garner interest in the coaching ranks.

 

[Sailorsaint]

It is time for a top to bottom housecleaning. Rizzi is a nice guy and a solid special teams coach. He is not HC material. (unless the master plan is to field a bad team while clearing the cap for a real HC hire in a few years). All coordinators and position coaches must go. We have overpaid for washed up players and are paying the price for this now. We have a handful of young players on each side of the ball worth keeping but there is not a single all pro difference maker on this roster that another team would trade a 1st round pick+ to acquire - including the pile of injured players and those on IR.

Anyone involved in strength and condition program needs to be fired on day 1 of the new regime.

But this biggest change that must be made before any progress can be made is getting rid of Mickey Loomis. He and Payton caught lightning in a bottle with Drew Brees. Brees is to Payton/Loomis as Brady was to Bellicheck. Neither coach/GM has done squat minus the first ballot HOF QB. Neither could obtain and developed a competent replacement QB. Loomis understandably kicked the can down the road on the cap when Brees was in the building. But once that ship sailed Loomis kept chopping wood, whiffed on multiple drafts, let good young players walk and traded away draft picks to move up for overrated prospects who were a terrible reach. It is hardly surprising that we are where we are. For Loomis to smack his gum last offseason, compare DA to Chuck Knoll and Bill Bellicheck and tell the fans we did not know what we were talking about - that DA was a great coach - says a lot about his lack of competence as a GM. The fact that he was reluctant to let DA go in season makes clear that he is the one who must go.

Time to burn it down and start over. Even with a great coaching hire (which Loomis is not qualified to make) it will take the Saints 3 years to turn over this terrible roster and get rid of the dead money dragging this team down.

It doesn’t take years to turn a team around anymore. Remember 2005? Then 2006? We can turn this around without burning it down. It just takes making the right decisions and hires. Not sure our front office can do that but it is possible.

 

[los226]

It is time for a top to bottom housecleaning. Rizzi is a nice guy and a solid special teams coach. He is not HC material. (unless the master plan is to field a bad team while clearing the cap for a real HC hire in a few years). All coordinators and position coaches must go. We have overpaid for washed up players and are paying the price for this now. We have a handful of young players on each side of the ball worth keeping but there is not a single all pro difference maker on this roster that another team would trade a 1st round pick+ to acquire - including the pile of injured players and those on IR.

Anyone involved in strength and condition program needs to be fired on day 1 of the new regime.

But this biggest change that must be made before any progress can be made is getting rid of Mickey Loomis. He and Payton caught lightning in a bottle with Drew Brees. Brees is to Payton/Loomis as Brady was to Bellicheck. Neither coach/GM has done squat minus the first ballot HOF QB. Neither could obtain and developed a competent replacement QB. Loomis understandably kicked the can down the road on the cap when Brees was in the building. But once that ship sailed Loomis kept chopping wood, whiffed on multiple drafts, let good young players walk and traded away draft picks to move up for overrated prospects who were a terrible reach. It is hardly surprising that we are where we are. For Loomis to smack his gum last offseason, compare DA to Chuck Knoll and Bill Bellicheck and tell the fans we did not know what we were talking about - that DA was a great coach - says a lot about his lack of competence as a GM. The fact that he was reluctant to let DA go in season makes clear that he is the one who must go.

Time to burn it down and start over. Even with a great coaching hire (which Loomis is not qualified to make) it will take the Saints 3 years to turn over this terrible roster and get rid of the dead money dragging this team down.

Payton has drafted a first round QB and developed him to currently the third favorite for offensive rookie of the year. It’s clearly been Mickey Loomis that tied his hands with selecting a QB. Loomis is all in on this FA QB/late round QB strategy. And he’s also all in on this salary cap strategy, so don’t hold your breath on “clearing the salary cap”.

The problem is Mickey Loomis and as long as he’s here, then it doesn’t matter. He needs to gets lucky and hit on an all time great QB that hides all the flaws of management.

 

[SweetT]

Agreed. Wasted 3 years of a crap division. We could’ve had something to build on. Now we are holding out hope, that our team can even be competitive going forward. The only thing I hang my hat on, is no team in the division has placed a stranglehold on it.

 

[tim martin]

new leader= new hope

 

[reason2believe]

Haha. Should have been there to see the first 30+ years …. lol.

 

[Paul]

Refuse to rebuild after Drew and Sean left really hurt them

Refusing to re-tool and plan properly while Drew and Sean were still here hurt them.

 

[Patman255]

I think we are at least 6 draft pick "hits" away from having this team competitive again and that will likely take 3 years, "hitting" on two per year.