Time to end this circus: Saints have wasted 3 years of our time (merged) (2 Viewers)

[solarbear88]

Well ok. The year is 2020 and Brees retirement is immenent. What does Loomis do? Double down on expensive vets whose salaries currently cripple us.

 

[webster]

Absolutely. The cracks in the foundation of the philosophy really show up when you don’t have Brees to cover them up.

100 percent Brees elevated everyone including the head coach and GM.

 

[solarbear88]

Absolutely. The cracks in the foundation of the philosophy really show up when you don’t have Brees to cover them up.

Or Payton. What he did with Denver this year is amazing.

 

[MarylandWHODAT]

Get ready. They are going to be bad for a while.........

 

[Grumpy Old Manatee]

It is time for a top to bottom housecleaning. Rizzi is a nice guy and a solid special teams coach. He is not HC material. (unless the master plan is to field a bad team while clearing the cap for a real HC hire in a few years). All coordinators and position coaches must go. We have overpaid for washed up players and are paying the price for this now. We have a handful of young players on each side of the ball worth keeping but there is not a single all pro difference maker on this roster that another team would trade a 1st round pick+ to acquire - including the pile of injured players and those on IR.

Anyone involved in strength and condition program needs to be fired on day 1 of the new regime.

But this biggest change that must be made before any progress can be made is getting rid of Mickey Loomis. He and Payton caught lightning in a bottle with Drew Brees. Brees is to Payton/Loomis as Brady was to Bellicheck. Neither coach/GM has done squat minus the first ballot HOF QB. Neither could obtain and developed a competent replacement QB. Loomis understandably kicked the can down the road on the cap when Brees was in the building. But once that ship sailed Loomis kept chopping wood, whiffed on multiple drafts, let good young players walk and traded away draft picks to move up for overrated prospects who were a terrible reach. It is hardly surprising that we are where we are. For Loomis to smack his gum last offseason, compare DA to Chuck Knoll and Bill Bellicheck and tell the fans we did not know what we were talking about - that DA was a great coach - says a lot about his lack of competence as a GM. The fact that he was reluctant to let DA go in season makes clear that he is the one who must go.

Time to burn it down and start over. Even with a great coaching hire (which Loomis is not qualified to make) it will take the Saints 3 years to turn over this terrible roster and get rid of the dead money dragging this team down.

Have the Saints really wasted three years of your time, or did you play a significant part in choosing to do so?

 

[sfidc3]

He’s not going to get let go. The best hope is he steps back into the VP role and hires a new GM.

Yup, this is my hope as well, he isn’t going to be fired but I do believe Gayle has the power to take him out of the decision making process…..

The Saints have wasted many years before on Mora, DItka, and Haslett…..the issue back then was that Saints fans had no idea what a truly contending coaching staff looked like….now we do…..

 

[Treybad]

Settling on a mediocre QB signing what's left on the shelf that no other team wants.... this is the kind of decisions that need to stop...

 

[gregh]

and after 1 bad year payton already fixed the broncos and have them in contention, while dumping Wilson's huge salary.

 

[SaintStephen1]

We always knew we were headed for this iceberg when Sean and Drew were gone.

 

[BayouSAINTJoe]

My last 3 years were straight...they wasted the players time more than anything trying to keep this farce up. 6 weeks into season 1, some of us saw that DA wasn't the guy "its like a phone connection" SMGDMFHYGBFKM. Should've just let him go after the first year and admit the mistake. Nobody would've balked at potentially coaching us in 2023 after firing a known loser after half way through his first losing season. 4-7 going into week 13 year 1 should've been the cut bait point. But we kept this garbage up for damn near 2 more seasons.

 

[sfidc3]

My last 3 years were straight...they wasted the players time more than anything trying to keep this farce up. 6 weeks into season 1, some of us saw that DA wasn't the guy "its like a phone connection" SMGDMFHYGBFKM. Should've just let him go after the first year and admit the mistake. Nobody would've balked at potentially coaching us in 2023 after firing a known loser after half way through his first losing season. 4-7 going into week 13 year 1 should've been the cut bait point. But we kept this garbage up for damn near 2 more seasons.

Yup, still shocked he had so many defenders on this board, it was obvious to some of us, he was never going to lead effectively…..he just needs his QB, then he just needs an OC, then lets change everything around this disaster of a team except the HC, because he can’t be the problem….

 

[Saint KayBee]

Settling on a mediocre QB signing what's left on the shelf that no other team wants.... this is the kind of decisions that need to stop...

What was the alternative, Trey?

Retain Jameis - eventually he’s going to want starter money - he was an awful fit for Pete Carmichael’s system and would have been worse in Klint Kubiak’s. So the team would have a large investment in a 2x bad fit for the team and system. Lots of you float him as The Answer but that also assumes he’d have kept signing 2yr, $8m deals forever. He would have gotten Derek Carr’s money in 2023 if he was the plan at QB1.

Draft one - the Saints drafted 28th in 2021, year 1 post-Brees. The closest QB picked was Mac Jones. The next QBs picked were Kyle Trask, Kellen Mond, and Davis Mills - and then the Saints took Ian Book, which didn’t work. No subsequent QB is worth mentioning.
2022 - Kenny Pickett, Desmond Ridder, Malik Willis, Matt Corral, Bailey Zappe, Sam Howell, Chris Oladokun, Skyler Thompson, Brock Purdy. The best non-Jameis QB in free agency available was Mitchell Trubisky.
2023 - (Bryce/Stroud/AR5 all went top 5, then) Will Levis, Hendon Hooker, Jake Haener, Stetson Bennett, DTR, Clayton Tune, Aidan O’Connell, Sean Clifford, Jaren Hall, Tanner McKee, Max Duggan. Non-DC4 free agents available: Geno Smith, Jimmy Garoppolo, Jacoby Brissett.
2024, assuming the Saints don’t sign Carr: (six QBs off the board prior to the Saints’ pick, then) Spencer Rattler, Jordan Travis, Joe Milton, Devin Leary, Michael Pratt, with free agents Kirk Cousins, Brett Rypien, Tyler Huntley, Nate Sudfeld, Joe Flacco, Gardner Minshew, Sam Darnold, Drew Lock, Brandon Allen, Mason Rudolph, Marcus Mariota.

Needing a quarterback is hard. Needing a quarterback with these options being the candidates will not guarantee greatness. I’d say maybe two of these guys would have the Saints about as good as it’s been under Carr.

 

[Nemo]

I agree that a turn around in 3 seasons is certainly possible; look what Payton did after Haslett.

But there are three hurdles to clear - one is getting the right coach, the second is the finding the franchise QB (Brees literally fell into Payton's lap) and the third is an almost total revamp of an ageing roster while resetting the cap. The common denominator to all of these things? Having the right FOOTBALL GM in place to handle these monumental tasks. Loomis - who smacked his gum, told the fans that DA was a hall of fame coach in the making and who begrudgingly fired DA is clearly not the GM to lead the Saints into a new chapter of success.

We should thank Loomis for his service (minus the DA era), the Superbowl title he, Payton and Brees brought to New Orleans - but it is clearly time for him to move out (or up, into a Team President/advisory role) and let a real football GM manager take the reigns. If ownership does not make this happen then there will be no improvement anytime soon, and the Saints can take their place in the bottom 25% of NFL teams that are perpetually bad and irrelevant.(Jet,s Browns, Titans, etc.) In other words, a product not worth wasting your time and money on.

Hopefully Ms. Benson (and her inner circle of advisors) can see what clearly needs to happen to get the team headed in the right direction.

 

[REBELMAX]

Loomis really benefited by his ability to manipulate the cap before it was really noticeable. Unfortunately, that only works for so long and eventually you run out of road to kick the can. We weren’t complaining when we were a perennially playoff team but now his method of how he manages has overtaken its ability to work.

That isn’t a talent and if anyone deserves credit for that it would be Kai Hartley anyway.

A talent would be the ability to make great , winning moves like hiring great people, retaining great players , developing great talent into on-field production.

Loomis hired Dennis Allen. A proven loser.

He walked CJGJ , Trey Hendrickson and others. He paid Demario , Cam and Tyrann far past their primes with no margin of error to do so.
He had Zack Baun who will be All Pro Linebacker playing as a core special team player.

He was responsible for moving up to draft the Olave / Penning duo. Missed on players , Head Coach , existing contracts.

Created a GM radio show like a Head Coach would do and proceeded to alienate 80% of the fanbase.

Compared Dennis Allen’s record to Bill Walsh , Bill Belicheck , Chuck Noll , Tom Landry.

Was forced to fire the career loser Head Coach publicly by the owner and then apologized for it.

Organized a lobbying campaign to be elected to the NFL Pro football HOF , had a 200th win party as the franchise is free falling , was the celebrity lighting the lights at the Roosevelt Hotel.

Assisted in losing billions of dollars of value between 2 pro sports franchises.

Compared the Saints organization and culture to the Pittsburgh Steelers !!!!

He’s pushing 70 years old.


Anyone see the problem ?

 

[REBELMAX]

Anyone wishing for Loomis to get let go is just setting themselves up for disappointment. Let it go.

He is the NFL equivalent of a college professor with Tenure Privileges.

You don’t fire a 20+ year GM that easily. He deserves and has earned the opportunity to fix his mess.

He doesn’t have time. It’s over.

It’s time to start over. You are left with no choice.

As it turned out the “culture” the “program” etc left town w Sean and Drew