Time to end this circus: Saints have wasted 3 years of our time (merged) (6 Viewers)

[Bill]

Hopeless - adjective​

hope·less ˈhō-pləs

Synonyms of hopeless

a

: having no expectation of good or success : despairing

felt hopeless and alone

b

: not susceptible to remedy or cure

doctors say his condition is hopeless

c

: incapable of redemption or improvement

She's a hopeless romantic.

the most hopeless group of golfers you've ever seen



This is the status of the New Orleans Saints. Hopeless…..

5-12 season (and quite honestly should be 4-13 if it were not for the blocked field goal against the hapless Giants)
Salary cap hell with no relief in sight.
It is THE least desirable head coaching job in the NFL. Yes, it is an NFL head coaching job but what coach worth anything would want to come to this dumpster fire of an organization?
A GM who is still living in the past with the “Sean Payton” culture and who wants to try capture that lightning again. He can’t.
An old and aging roster.
Virtually every single position on the roster needs addressed and depth.
The can is no longer able to be kicked down the road.

We can fool ourselves and talk ourselves into this organization “just making the right moves” and “if we get this player” or “if we get this coach” and so on but the bottom line is the New Orleans Saints are terrible and will be for what I believe to be, the next three to five years. Last year, we all drank the proverbial Kool Aid when the Saints won in December of 2023. Now, they beat some bad teams but they won. And we are all about winning the South. A new OC will cure all our ills. Blah, blah, blah…….

I get the injury bug but this team is just flat out BAD. Rattler is a decent back up or third string NFL QB but not a starter.

This may be the shock of the Saints making the Raiders look like world beaters or just the reality of it all settling in but the Saints just have a very, very bleak future.

Change my mind……

A good argument could be made that the current players and staff are hopelessly incapable of ever becoming a competitive contender in this league. It's also possible that a very long span of time will pass before the right combination of players and staff/coaches will change the narrative you are bringing up here.

But the only counter argument that I can really offer is that the feeling was very similar after the 2005 season. Even making the suggestion that the Saints would play in the NFC Championship game the following year, or that our beloved team would hoist a Lombardi trophy a mere 3 years after that would have been met with all levels of smirks, chuckles, derision, and disdain.

The point is, the word 'hopeless' denotes 'having absolutely no hope'. It suggests that no matter what attempts are made to correct a problem there will be no possibility of success. A good argument could be made that things were never 'bleaker' than the close of the 2005 season when we didn't even know for sure that there would still be a New Orleans Saints.

Are things bad right now? Absolutely. Is the task at hand an extremely daunting one? Without a doubt. But the word 'hopeless' takes the discussion to a whole new level. It becomes a 'why even try' issue. So... no, the Saints situation is not one of complete hopelessness.

But now if you're talking about the Pelicans...

 

[OldTimeGamer1966]

As someone who can remember hopeless. I don’t think we’re there yet

Not there yet but you can feel the heat creeping up your back really fast. We are VERY close to that point.

 

[SAINT BIGAL]

Pain without hope is misery. I sure hope they get their poo poo together next season!

 

[UpHere]

It's not hopeless, we just have to be patient and be terrible for a couple of years - window is closed, they did all they could to stay in the hunt, didn't work - time to rebuild

 

[St. Widge]

The only thing that could be wrong is that nobody would want the HC job. There are ambitious people out there who believe they can overcome any challenge. That’s probably what’s needed, a borderline egomaniac but one with brains and insight (vis a vis Mike Ditka). I doubt that there’s a bigger challenge in the NFL than the Saints from a head coaching standpoint, for all the reasons you mentioned.

Every head coach opening in the NFL, with very rare exception, is a difficult job. But, it's the NFL. It's a league designed for parity. Any team can be made into a good team in 3 or 4 years with good drafting and good lower level free agent signings. And it doesn't matter if you start from ground zero or start with a mediocre roster.

I just don't get the doom and gloom. 2 mediocre years and 1 bad year and everyone is on suicide watch. Now is the time for hope. We wanted DA gone and he is gone. Now we look for a new coach to turn things around. And, yes, there are plenty of good coaches out there and we will hopefully get one of them. It might not be the hot name that will get fans excited but that doesn't mean they aren't a good coach. Neither Campbell nor O'Connell were the hot names the year they got their jobs but every single one of us would take one of them now and be excited about it.

 

[guidomerkinsrules]

Feeling hopeless is a choice
And almost always a poor one

 

[Saint Taysom]

I can already hear Mickey Loomis’s end of season press conference where he flippantly tells us all that the Saints are “close” and he believes they can contend next season… no rebuild needed.
He’ll double-down again on Derek Carr and tell us how he is a franchise QB and has many years left of elite-level play.

Hopeless is the right word. This team will be picking in the 10 for the next 3+ years. I just hope that knucklehead Loomis doesn’t trade away any future 1st rounders

 

[oodank]

Why is everyone still dumping on the BACKUP players as if we expected them to go on a late season run?? The WRs, QB, RBs, CBs....your playmakers and playstoppers all backups right nah. Biggest issues the Saints have is HC and INJURIES. The team look good when they were HEALTHY and the expected starters were playing.

 

[Bourbon]

The stupidity and apathy of those in charge is the biggest problem. All the others can be fixed but not unless we change who's in charge.

 

[LifeForceDave]

I get it, I really do. But we are in the worst division in football and it wont take much to be competitive again in our division. Will that mean playoff success? Probably not, but a good coach, clean up the cap situation, and hit on some draft picks and we could be in the mix in two years.

 

[Blazing Saint]

So, what you're saying is.... there is no hope?

 

[SweetT]

We are not hopeless.
This team just needs some more talent, health, better coaching, and a new culture/identity. All of this IS attainable. The only way it’s not attainable, is if our FO chooses to not act upon it

 

[saintmdterps]

Feeling hopeless is a choice
And almost always a poor one

And yet Hope herself is one of the Furies (evils) of Pandora's box, so what's a poor boy to do?

Happiness is reality minus expectations.

 

[MarylandWHODAT]

We are all aware of the Saints situation moving forward but to actually see it is nauseating. I would say thank God the 2024 season is ending but 2025 is not looking too promising. As a co-worker of mine once said: "You think today is bad, wait until tomorrow."

"There are a few simple realities in life. Death, taxes, and the Saints being way over the projected salary cap looking toward an offseason. Via Over The Cap, they are currently $63.7 million over the 2025 salary cap and no other team is more than $17.5 million over it."

 

[Swampy Saint]

Good morning, sunshine.