Tropical Storm remnants expected to hit SoCal Sunday (Update: Game will go as scheduled) (1 Viewer)

[Mamba]

Just got home from driving across L.A. from Sofi. Definitely a lot of rain accumulation on the freeways, but absolutely nothing worth canceling this game over. And the stadium was much fuller than I anticipated. Lots of Saints fans (probably 60/40 Chargers to Saints fans).

 

[jayd265]

Just got home from driving across L.A. from Sofi. Definitely a lot of rain accumulation on the freeways, but absolutely nothing worth canceling this game over. And the stadium was much fuller than I anticipated. Lots of Saints fans (probably 60/40 Chargers to Saints fans).

There was a good "who dat" chant during the game that you could easily hear. love when that happens in the opposing stadium

 

[MJ in Calif]

They assumed a far greater risk or probability that a series of terrible, unfortunate events regarding fan safety, the overall safeties of individual team players, stadium employees, event staff, coaches and their families/relatives getting caught in flooding, mudslides, poor visibility that invariably couldve led to severe injuries, car wrecks, collisions, etc. These events mightve been easily avoided if the NFL and L.A. city and county officials had exercised some proactive, necessary commonsense and postponed or cancelled a mostly meaningless pre-season game but the NFL FO, as is its want, reaffirmed all its gives two sheets about is unbridled greed, insatiable lust for money, ratings, and revenue for marketing/promotions. If some people happen to get injured or killed driving or being about in somewhat-dangerous weather conditions like tornadoes, potentially deadly severe thunderstorms, TS or hurricane-force high winds of, mudslides well fork them, they knew the risks of going out in terrible, inclement weather like that anyway, even if we pretended or made it seem like it was no big deal when it happened. The city of Los Angeles apparently thought or believed it wasnt too troubling, dangerous of a public sporting event to call it off themselves so we're covered there, too as a possible scapegoat, I mean legal cover or alibi...

Either way, our figurative and literal legal arses are covered anyway.

We dodged a bullet this time, it seems. We'll dodge another one next time when a bigger, larger, potentially more disastrous natural disaster is barreling down towards a major U.S. city like Miami, Tampa, or Jacksonville and we tell local fans not to worry there either.

A bit melodramatic are we? The NFL has cancelled/postponed games due to hurricanes and other severe weather phenomena in the past and will continue to do so. During rain events here, which is what this was, many people exercise caution and do stay off the roads, which occurred yesterday despite the game being played. The freeways were pretty wide open for those who did attend. Did they incur a higher risk? Sure but this is Califirnia where we live under risk of a major earthquake that can hit at any time, but we still go on with our lives. SMH.

 

[Dallas_Saint73]

Just got home from driving across L.A. from Sofi. Definitely a lot of rain accumulation on the freeways, but absolutely nothing worth canceling this game over. And the stadium was much fuller than I anticipated. Lots of Saints fans (probably 60/40 Chargers to Saints fans).

Dodger Stadium is surrounded by a moat. Looks like some parts of LA got pretty saturated.

 

[Mamba]

Dodger Stadium is surrounded by a moat. Looks like some parts of LA got pretty saturated.

The Dodger stadium parking lot is a giant bowl.

 

[Redlands Saints]

Well by reading through this thread I've learned that a lot of you don't know sheet about socal or it's topography. I drove 150 miles round trip to the game, the first 60 miles west I never had to use my windshield wipes as there was no rain just so me light drizzle. there was no major road flooding on any of the freeways or surface streets. coming home we didn't hit more than sprinkles until we were almost 50 miles east of the stadium and again no flooding. there was no reason what so ever that the should have been canceled or moved. The media over hyped the sheet out of it, yes the local news was saying a hurricane was going to hit. this storm was never going to be more than a weak tropical storm by the time it reached LA. It was down to a TS before the center of the storm made land in mexico about 375 miles south of LA. this was an over blown non event for LA. it was far worse for vegas than socal. yes there was some flooding and mudslide but it happens in those places every time it rains more than a quarter of an inch.

 

[JWDtrey3]

I read 16 pages of this thread to find out why @Saintaholic was banned from replying. My boss probably wishes I spent my time more wisely.

 

[madsaint1967]

Lived out there years ago, they don't have ditches to drain away the water. I couldn't understand how a little rain could cause so much flooding. But kinda matches everything that California does. No foresight.

 

[Goatman Saint]

Lived out there years ago, they don't have ditches to drain away the water. I couldn't understand how a little rain could cause so much flooding. But kinda matches everything that California does. No foresight.

Before you make comments like that, look at what California has prepared for. We are prepared.

 

[efil4stnias]

I read 16 pages of this thread to find out why @Saintaholic was banned from replying. My boss probably wishes I spent my time more wisely.

Im your boss.....you are fired.

 

[Saintman2884]

A bit melodramatic are we? The NFL has cancelled/postponed games due to hurricanes and other severe weather phenomena in the past and will continue to do so. During rain events here, which is what this was, many people exercise caution and do stay off the roads, which occurred yesterday despite the game being played. The freeways were pretty wide open for those who did attend. Did they incur a higher risk? Sure but this is Califirnia where we live under risk of a major earthquake that can hit at any time, but we still go on with our lives. SMH.

You can't really control the damage or millions of people being at risk on a daily basis as it relates to natural disasters like earthquakes or to a lesser extent, tornadoes. Earthquakes in major fault zones in major metropolitan areas all across the globe could happen at any moment so most actions or responses immediately to them is reactive owing to the context and circumstances. Even the strongest, most sturdiest, earthquake-resistant buildings, homes, complexes or infrastructure will be massively damaged or destroyed when a 7.5-7.6 major earthquake strikes.

When it comes to hurricanes, that's not the case and in most cases, there's a multi-day window where local and federal authorities can be proactive when it comes to evacuation, safety, warning locals about the dangers of flooding, severe thunderstorms, in the case of L.A. mudslides. People shouldn't be encouraged or the dangers of mass flooding, thunderstorms causing wrecks or other logistical problems to go watch a meaningless preseason game.

If this had been a smaller city like Jacksonville or Tampa, more then likely the NFL wouldve postponed it due to the chances of accidents or mishaps occuring from the storm being greater but since this is L.A. "hey, its too big of a city, there's really a less, miniscule risk of accidents happening or people getting killed, so lets get this game over with and get out"


I think that's a sign of reckless, arrogant thinking that thankfully, didnt backfire on the NFL. Fans attending that game couldve easily run off the road, got into wrecks, which couldve led to some drivers being seriously hurt. Terrible, inclement weather can seriously injure, paralyze, even kill people despite it being a once-in-a-lifetime hurricane/tropical storm pounding a city that's 20x bigger, larger and more populated then New Orleans.

Sometimes its better to use a excess amount of caution when it comes to preventing civilian deaths or injuries as it relates to natural disasters then having this carte Blanche attitude. MLB came across as being a lot smarter and less risk-verse having L.A.'s two MLB teams play double-headers the day before on Saturday. They approached that matter in a cautious, timely, proactive manner.

 

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[StudioSaint]

Some people are relying on hindsight to say "see, it was no big deal." The NWS, state, county and local officials don't have the advantage of relying on hindsight.

The models showed a much heavier rain and flooding event was highly likely for Los Angeles. The wise thing to do is follow those models. It's the best we've got for predicting the future, even though it's not 100%.

The storm changed speed and it's path kept veering from the consensus of the models late Friday through Saturday as it grew closer to Los Angeles. That's why it was less damaging than forecast for Los Angeles county. The NWS, state, county and local officials have to plan for what they models are predicting/forecasting to be the most likely outcome.

If you're forced to bet your life and all of your possession on the spin of a roulette table, do you take a chance on getting lucky hitting a specific number or do you take your chances with either red or black? The NWS, state, county and local officials have to make a bet against everyone's lives and possessions, so they have to go with the best odds according to the forecast models. To do anything else would be grossly negligent.

The media does hype the storm, but so do individuals. Someone says we should be cautious and err on the side of safety, then someone else comes in blasting about how that's ridiculous, while they ignore the best forecast models and data that we have. That leads to push back and then it turns into a back & forth, with people arguing at each other from the extreme positions of "it's apocalyptic" vs "it's nothing at all."

I find it to be in particularly poor taste to be saying "I told you so that it wouldn't be bad here/there," because Los Angeles getting lucky with getting hit less than forecast means that other areas got it worse than forecast. The worst of it hit different areas, it didn't just magically disappear.

Today, a lot of people in Los Angeles are not suffering as much as they thought they might be. I'm one of those people and I consider myself fortunate. The flip side of that is that a lot of people are suffering worse than they expected too. But, hey, don't let that ruin anyone's joy of gloating with an "I told you so, me smart, everyone else dumb."

 

[Randy Jones]

Some people are relying on hindsight to say "see, it was no big deal." The NWS, state, county and local officials don't have the advantage of relying on hindsight.

The models showed a much heavier rain and flooding event was highly likely for Los Angeles. The wise thing to do is follow those models. It's the best we've got for predicting the future, even though it's not 100%.

The storm changed speed and it's path kept veering from the consensus of the models late Friday through Saturday as it grew closer to Los Angeles. That's why it was less damaging than forecast for Los Angeles county. The NWS, state, county and local officials have to plan for what they models are predicting/forecasting to be the most likely outcome.

If you're forced to bet your life and all of your possession on the spin of a roulette table, do you take a chance on getting lucky hitting a specific number or do you take your chances with either red or black? The NWS, state, county and local officials have to make a bet against everyone's lives and possessions, so they have to go with the best odds according to the forecast models. To do anything else would be grossly negligent.

The media does hype the storm, but so do individuals. Someone says we should be cautious and err on the side of safety, then someone else comes in blasting about how that's ridiculous, while they ignore the best forecast models and data that we have. That leads to push back and then it turns into a back & forth, with people arguing at each other from the extreme positions of "it's apocalyptic" vs "it's nothing at all."

I find it to be in particularly poor taste to be saying "I told you so that it wouldn't be bad here/there," because Los Angeles getting lucky with getting hit less than forecast means that other areas got it worse than forecast. The worst of it hit different areas, it didn't just magically disappear.

Today, a lot of people in Los Angeles are not suffering as much as they thought they might be. I'm one of those people and I consider myself fortunate. The flip side of that is that a lot of people are suffering worse than they expected too. But, hey, don't let that ruin anyone's joy of gloating with an "I told you so, me smart, everyone else dumb."

In a sense, you’re right. That’s the throw caution to the wind attitude that got NO in trouble before Katrina. However, as late as Saturday, NWS was only predicting 1-2 inches of rain in LA on Sunday. A little research shows that LA has had multiple rain events with this much rain over the years.

 

[MJ in Calif]

You can't really control the damage or millions of people being at risk on a daily basis as it relates to natural disasters like earthquakes or to a lesser extent, tornadoes. Earthquakes in major fault zones in major metropolitan areas all across the globe could happen at any moment so most actions or responses immediately to them is reactive owing to the context and circumstances. Even the strongest, most sturdiest, earthquake-resistant buildings, homes, complexes or infrastructure will be massively damaged or destroyed when a 7.5-7.6 major earthquake strikes.

When it comes to hurricanes, that's not the case and in most cases, there's a multi-day window where local and federal authorities can be proactive when it comes to evacuation, safety, warning locals about the dangers of flooding, severe thunderstorms, in the case of L.A. mudslides. People shouldn't be encouraged or the dangers of mass flooding, thunderstorms causing wrecks or other logistical problems to go watch a meaningless preseason game.

If this had been a smaller city like Jacksonville or Tampa, more then likely the NFL wouldve postponed it due to the chances of accidents or mishaps occuring from the storm being greater but since this is L.A. "hey, its too big of a city, there's really a less, miniscule risk of accidents happening or people getting killed, so lets get this game over with and get out"


I think that's a sign of reckless, arrogant thinking that thankfully, didnt backfire on the NFL. Fans attending that game couldve easily run off the road, got into wrecks, which couldve led to some drivers being seriously hurt. Terrible, inclement weather can seriously injure, paralyze, even kill people despite it being a once-in-a-lifetime hurricane/tropical storm pounding a city that's 20x bigger, larger and more populated then New Orleans.

Sometimes its better to use a excess amount of caution when it comes to preventing civilian deaths or injuries as it relates to natural disasters then having this carte Blanche attitude. MLB came across as being a lot smarter and less risk-verse having L.A.'s two MLB teams play double-headers the day before on Saturday. They approached that matter in a cautious, timely, proactive manner.

I'm thankful people who think like you are not in charge, for the most part anyway.