N/S Tyreek Hill arrested for traffic violation near the stadium in Miami (Hill played) (1 Viewer)

[dennisrwood]

You raise some good points, but I'm curious as someone who's had to work w/inmates--under what circumstances would you let inmates dictate the rules of your interactions?

Hill issued two dictates to the officer:

1) Don't tap on my window.

2) Don't tell me to roll down my window.

I don't know the specifics of the law in Florida, but Hill clearly had a deep window tint that didn't permit viewing inside the vehicle. I'd bet a substantial # of people would agree there was an implied threat in instructing the officer not to tap on the window. If the officer plausibly perceived those factors as a safety concern, would they not be justified in securing the scene, and would it not be Hill's behavior that had necessitated such escalation?

Hill placed the officer in a situation where he'd either have to assert control of the scene or submit and trust in Hill's authority.

What are some situations you have successfully submitted to inmates in order to pacify a situation?

You raise some good points, but I'm curious as someone who's had to work w/inmates--under what circumstances would you let inmates dictate the rules of your interactions?

Hill issued two dictates to the officer:

1) Don't tap on my window.

2) Don't tell me to roll down my window.

I don't know the specifics of the law in Florida, but Hill clearly had a deep window tint that didn't permit viewing inside the vehicle. I'd bet a substantial # of people would agree there was an implied threat in instructing the officer not to tap on the window. If the officer plausibly perceived those factors as a safety concern, would they not be justified in securing the scene, and would it not be Hill's behavior that had necessitated such escalation?

Hill placed the officer in a situation where he'd either have to assert control of the scene or submit and trust in Hill's authority.

What are some situations you have successfully submitted to inmates in order to pacify a situation.

That is not what is happening here. Hill is not an an inmate. What has he been convicted of? He is simply getting a traffic ticket. Why are you comparing him to a convicted felon?

That belays a problem that you and the officer share. You are both treating a citizen like a convicted felon? I dealt with murderers and rapists. Hill was guilty of poor driving if anything. And for that you believe he should be pulled from his car and beaten on the side of the road without benefit of a trial and jury?

And when I did have this situation with an out of control officer or inmate? I would remove the problem. If it was an officer, I would send them elsewhere until they could control themselves or face disciplinary. And i did the same for the inmate.

And yes, sometimes talking is better than force. People getting hurt is not the goal. People going home at the end of shift is the goal. People surviving to retirement is the goal. I have attended funerals of coworkers. That is never something you want to do. So yes, I would always want to try and talk my way out of problems. I dealt with murderers every day I worked at the prison.

What I would not do is let my ego take over and start slamming people to the ground in a desperate need to prove my manhood. I valued my marriage too much to explain to my wife why I got fired for being an idiot at work. I never improperly placed my hands on an inmate. I never had to justify a use of force. Because I did what was right.