US ports longshoremen’s strike (East and Gulf coasts) (1 Viewer)

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guidomerkinsrules said:
i really feel like this is all working from a conclusion to explain/accept selfishness and then fit anecdotes around it
biologically there probably shouldn't be a separation of the parent (esp mother)/baby interplay - they seem much more 2 parts of a biological entity than 2 individuals making autonomous choices
i've known too many women explaining some biochemical connection with their child (and seemingly that connection goes both ways) - babies probably aren't making independent choices
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I'm not the one who brought up the anecdotal evidence. You did. I'm just explaining why your anecdote is actually evidence we learn to share instead of it being innate in us. And now you are giving more anecdotal evidence about women you know. But again, I think that is evidence that women and babies likely have hormones that produce those mutual feelings. Those hormones override their natural instincts for the protection of both.

Then again, I don't really think anecdotal evidence proves anything and most often can be used to make any point anyone wants to make.
 
kcirdor said:
it was a joke, regarding guilt tripping friends into doing something you should have just hired movers for.
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Gotcha! I figured as much but didn't read far enough back into the thread to ascertain for sure.

Not only do we coerce/incentivize them with beer and pizza, but then they suck at the job anyway and tear **** up :hihi:
 
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saintmdterps said:
Gotcha! I figured as much but didn't read far enough back into the tread to ascertain for sure.

Not only do we coerce/incentivize them with beer and pizza, but then they suck at the job anyway and tear **** up :hihi:
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exactly... some friends "helped" bring the washer and dryer I bought off of them to my house, and now I have a nice hole in the wall.
 
kcirdor said:
exactly... some friends "helped" bring the washer and dryer I bought off of them to my house, and now I have a nice hole in the wall.
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A buddy of mine made the mistake of giving the reprobates beer and pizza before the job. They let his fridge slide off the hand cart, then left it on the ground while they looked for the beers they dropped.
 
St. Widge said:
I'm not the one who brought up the anecdotal evidence. You did. I'm just explaining why your anecdote is actually evidence we learn to share instead of it being innate in us. And now you are giving more anecdotal evidence about women you know. But again, I think that is evidence that women and babies likely have hormones that produce those mutual feelings. Those hormones override their natural instincts for the protection of both.

Then again, I don't really think anecdotal evidence proves anything and most often can be used to make any point anyone wants to make.
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Hormones overriding natural instinct?
 
St. Widge said:
It seems to me that in that situation when you know you are doomed to fail in the long run, the smart move would be to negotiate for more money, guarantees for a certain number of jobs for a certain time period, and for the employers to fund free training to train guys to work with the new automated systems or pay for them to be trained for other job markets.
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A union is required to act in the best interest of every dues paying member. They could be brought up on charges with the department of labor for failing to act in the best interest of every member. We don't/can't/won't trade away jobs.
 
Eeyore said:
A union is required to act in the best interest of every dues paying member. They could be brought up on charges with the department of labor for failing to act in the best interest of every member. We don't/can't/won't trade away jobs.
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I get that, but at the same time there are situations where what might be right for one group of members is not right for another group of members. It's unavoidable when they are dealing with people in different life situations that are in the same group. There are inevitable conflicts when you are talking about the interest of a guy who is say 60 and a guy who is say 24.

In other situations, those conflicts often mean that each group gets separate representation, but I get that that might not be possible under U.S. labor laws.

And I didn't suggest that the Union should, would, or could trade away jobs. But it's unfortunately inevitable that there will be job losses in that industry no matter what the Union does.
 

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