Vehicle plows into crowd on Bourbon St., with 14 fatalities (20 Viewers)

[superchuck500]

I am not saying Ai Chat told them to do what to do. What i’mm
Saying is they may have had their motives through p

It’s where they got their ideology not their instructions.

There's plenty of places to get violent ideology - especially in the online age. People have been being "radicalized" on the internet in various ways . . . but also the whole question of what does it mean to be radicalized (was it already there in the first place?) is a fascinating one.

But there's no reason to see "AI Chat" as some frightening new source of radicalization, at least not at the moment. It's far more reasonable to find radicalization from direct human sources than from large language models.

Again, unless there's some evidence that's involved here, your point is really more generically about AI/LLMs than it is about this incident.

 

[Get in the Carr]

There's plenty of places to get violent ideology - especially in the online age. People have been being "radicalized" on the internet in various ways . . . but also the whole question of what does it mean to be radicalized (was it already there in the first place?) is a fascinating one.

But there's no reason to see "AI Chat" as some frightening new source of radicalization, at least not at the moment. It's far more reasonable to find radicalization from direct human sources than from large language models.

Again, unless there's some evidence that's involved here, your point is really more generically about AI/LLMs than it is about this incident.

Fair enough. I respect your opinion and experience after years on this site. Was just throwing AI as a wildcard out there since personal friends starting to use it. Was not saying anything it was involved. Was just curious why never mentioned in news stories although it has to have been involved at some point. Why am i getting crucified for asking questions?

 

[GrandAdmiral]

People, if you can't stay on the topic of this thread, it's going to be closed. There's a lot of nonsense going on in here when we're supposed to be discussing a tragedy that just happened in our hometown. If you want to discuss something else, start a new thread.

 

[Buickman]

Yeah, I don't think I've ever seen a thread so thread-jacked in all my years here.

 

[Get in the Carr]

Anyways. The sheetbag that killed our fellow citizens was influenced somehow. That takes quite a bit of hate. Just trying to make sense of it

 

[Get in the Carr]

Where was this guy radicalized? It was in our backyard! Not more than a 6 hour drive at the most for the most of us. I want to know. The families want to know. Why?

 

[Mr. Blue Sky]

Where was this guy radicalized? It was in our backyard! Not more than a 6 hour drive at the most for the most of us. I want to know. The families want to know. Why?

Bro sometimes in life, things just dont make sense .. at all…. Trust that there will be attempts to hold people and entities responsible- namely the City for not doing more to prevent.. ultimately though, the responsibility lies with the attacker, who’s not around to face any consequences .


You just need to realize that it’s impossible to make sense of things that dont make sense .

 

[Madmarsha]

You just need to realize that it’s impossible to make sense of things that dont make sense .

Why do we have such a hard time doing this? Is it just human nature to want to try to make sense of things?

 

[play action]

Terrorists are part of a don't like it cancel culture mindset. If 2024 was your cup make sure a new 25 doesnt happen. Hit and run but that's just when the dogs away. Gimme 3 steps didn't even get 2 the one way no d all rough no tough coward. Kudos to the police big time, yeah it makes sense.

 

[guidomerkinsrules]

Where was this guy radicalized? It was in our backyard! Not more than a 6 hour drive at the most for the most of us. I want to know. The families want to know. Why?

Both this guy and Vegas guy served I the military
Maybe start asking questions there before going for the doomscrolling answer

 

[Sun Wukong]

Both this guy and Vegas guy served I the military
Maybe start asking questions there before going for the doomscrolling answer

He was an IT guy in the army.

The story thus far is he only started getting radicalized after his family fell apart and his real estate interests started failing.

 

[guidomerkinsrules]

Why do we have such a hard time doing this? Is it just human nature to want to try to make sense of things?

Seems like a good time to discuss Performance theory…
Starting with cubism and other pastiche art works, it became clear that the artist did not need to present the whole
Most performance art (dance, experimental theatre) demonstrates that its intention of action that’s important, not narrative cohesion
The audience will do the work to craft a narrative by themselves
tbf these are art forms have tiny audiences

But this seems to also be the same mechanism that makes wag the dog propaganda work
A demagogue just needs to throw seed out there - doesn’t matter how outlandish seemingly - and many in the crowd will grab it, plant it, nurture it and ultimately reap

 

[TheRealJRad]

Why do we have such a hard time doing this? Is it just human nature to want to try to make sense of things?

I think it’s a “if I can rationalize it, I can make it make sense, if I can make it make sense, then I can cope with it” mechanism

Seems ultimately self defeating in these sorts of circumstances though


Unrelated, I was thinking about the derails last night - it’s almost like a real life trauma response, isn’t it? If we were all sitting around the dinner table or something, little tangents of levity would start breaking off as everyone starts to process what happened.

 

[guidomerkinsrules]

I think it’s a “if I can rationalize it, I can make it make sense, if I can make it make sense, then I can cope with it” mechanism

Seems ultimately self defeating in these sorts of circumstances though

Ultimately these incidents usually have the same answers as ‘why did Katrina hit us’

And similarly that question can be used as a distraction from the actual answerable questions like ‘why did Katrina impact us so much’

Unrelated, I was thinking about the derails last night - it’s almost like a real life trauma response, isn’t it? If we were all sitting around the dinner table or something, little tangents of levity would start breaking off as everyone starts to process what happened.

Once the bulk of information is out there, news comes in drips and drabs
I think the derails are the idle chatter that happens waiting for more news

 

[guidomerkinsrules]

He was an IT guy in the army.

The story thus far is he only started getting radicalized after his family fell apart and his real estate interests started failing.

Sure and I’m just suggesting start with more practical questions than ‘is it Judas Priest lyrics?!’