Vikings No Call, Integrity of the Game and the Saints (2 Viewers)

[SaintKenKen]

So, as said in the game thread, I'm not going to cry any rivers for the Vikings not getting their obvious Facemask call that, I think, should have been reviewable because it was a scoring play (Safety). What I can see is that it was all over the media since Thursday night.

As we've been victim of in the past, the NFL referees tend to favor large market teams they are trying to grow like Los Angeles and they tend to favor players "Posterboys" like Patrick Mahomes and, previously, Tom Brady.

My first point is going to be that it's absolutely absurd in a day where we can do so many amazing things with Computer Vision AI that things like this impact games (and Vegas $$). I think we're near a tipping point on the "There should be human error" argument.

My second point is: It's a good time to play against a Los Angeles team. I don't think the Chargers are the 'darling' like the Rams are but... either way I can't see the refs daring to allow any shenanigans tomorrow. If anything, I think they lean out way on any "ties" to save face from that debacle.

 

[fanoftheyear7]

Great, now we will play hard and give an effort worthy of victory but will lose late to a blown call by the refs

 

[Bill]

So, as said in the game thread, I'm not going to cry any rivers for the Vikings not getting their obvious Facemask call that, I think, should have been reviewable because it was a scoring play (Safety). What I can see is that it was all over the media since Thursday night.

As we've been victim of in the past, the NFL referees tend to favor large market teams they are trying to grow like Los Angeles and they tend to favor players "Posterboys" like Patrick Mahomes and, previously, Tom Brady.

My first point is going to be that it's absolutely absurd in a day where we can do so many amazing things with Computer Vision AI that things like this impact games (and Vegas $$). I think we're near a tipping point on the "There should be human error" argument.

My second point is: It's a good time to play against a Los Angeles team. I don't think the Chargers are the 'darling' like the Rams are but... either way I can't see the refs daring to allow any shenanigans tomorrow. If anything, I think they lean out way on any "ties" to save face from that debacle.

Yeah, a missed facemask call should definitely be reviewable. More simply stated, an official in the booth who is watching the broadcast and seeing what the rest of the viewing audience is seeing should simply call down to the field and say, “Hey guys, you missed an obvious facemask penalty. Let’s throw the flag on that play.”

I mean, they can stop the game and review for the exact spot where a runner goes out of bounds, why not do the same for a play that’s going to make all the conspiracy theorists have a field day?

But let’s not make more of the no-call than what it was. A MISSED call. There are dozens of missed calls every game. The officials simply cannot see everything. (And in most cases fans don’t WANT the officials to call every infraction that happens on the field.

I believe if the rule was in the books for reviewing facemask penalties, that review would have been initiated and the penalty would have been enforced. But what DIDN’T happen on Thursday night was an attempt to favor one team over another. Even Goodell isn’t stupid enough to deliberately sabotage one of his personal favorites teams.

Try to accept the fact that not everything happens for a reason.

 

[St. Geezy]

Yeah, a missed facemask call should definitely be reviewable. More simply stated, an official in the booth who is watching the broadcast and seeing what the rest of the viewing audience is seeing should simply call down to the field and say, “Hey guys, you missed an obvious facemask penalty. Let’s throw the flag on that play.”

I mean, they can stop the game and review for the exact spot where a runner goes out of bounds, why not do the same for a play that’s going to make all the conspiracy theorists have a field day?

But let’s not make more of the no-call than what it was. A MISSED call. There are dozens of missed calls every game. The officials simply cannot see everything. (And in most cases fans don’t WANT the officials to call every infraction that happens on the field.

I believe if the rule was in the books for reviewing facemask penalties, that review would have been initiated and the penalty would have been enforced. But what DIDN’T happen on Thursday night was an attempt to favor one team over another. Even Goodell isn’t stupid enough to deliberately sabotage one of his personal favorites teams.

Try to accept the fact that not everything happens for a reason.

Agreed…the “Sky Judge” concept needs to be implemented in a much more expanded capacity, not just with reviewable calls.

Too much technology available, too many eyes watching, and too much money on the line, both for the participants in the game as well as externally.

 

[TenTwo]

After seeing all those replay assists with seemingly no rhyme or reason, why am I not surprised it wasn't used in this situation.

 

[Super]

With the technology today. There should be no blown calls. Maybe some judgement calls to disagree with but no outright blown calls.

 

[Saintgirlytake2]

Its not like it cost them a trip to the Super Bowl.

 

[Saint Jack]

So, as said in the game thread, I'm not going to cry any rivers for the Vikings not getting their obvious Facemask call that, I think, should have been reviewable because it was a scoring play (Safety). What I can see is that it was all over the media since Thursday night.

As we've been victim of in the past, the NFL referees tend to favor large market teams they are trying to grow like Los Angeles and they tend to favor players "Posterboys" like Patrick Mahomes and, previously, Tom Brady.

My first point is going to be that it's absolutely absurd in a day where we can do so many amazing things with Computer Vision AI that things like this impact games (and Vegas $$). I think we're near a tipping point on the "There should be human error" argument.

My second point is: It's a good time to play against a Los Angeles team. I don't think the Chargers are the 'darling' like the Rams are but... either way I can't see the refs daring to allow any shenanigans tomorrow. If anything, I think they lean out way on any "ties" to save face from that debacle.

The Chargers are the Jets of L.A.
At least the Rams had a half century of history of history in L.A. and they had one Super Bowl to their name.
The Chargers have nothing.

 

[Saint Jack]

So, as said in the game thread, I'm not going to cry any rivers for the Vikings not getting their obvious Facemask call that, I think, should have been reviewable because it was a scoring play (Safety). What I can see is that it was all over the media since Thursday night.

As we've been victim of in the past, the NFL referees tend to favor large market teams they are trying to grow like Los Angeles and they tend to favor players "Posterboys" like Patrick Mahomes and, previously, Tom Brady.

My first point is going to be that it's absolutely absurd in a day where we can do so many amazing things with Computer Vision AI that things like this impact games (and Vegas $$). I think we're near a tipping point on the "There should be human error" argument.

My second point is: It's a good time to play against a Los Angeles team. I don't think the Chargers are the 'darling' like the Rams are but... either way I can't see the refs daring to allow any shenanigans tomorrow. If anything, I think they lean out way on any "ties" to save face from that debacle.

That sort of thinking goes against each other.
You can’t say the League favors large market teams when the most successful/popular team right now is in a small market.

 

[St. Geezy]

That sort of thinking goes against each other.
You can’t say the League favors large market teams when the most successful/popular team right now is in a small market.

I think this one is unique though. The league NEEDS L.A. to be successful. It’s clearly an initiative.

 

[Saint Jack]

I think this one is unique though. The league NEEDS L.A. to be successful. It’s clearly an initiative.

The League doesn’t need L.A. to be successful.
People will watch the games whether it’s L.A., NY, NOLA, KC, or Jacksonville.

 

[Judge_Smails]

I think this one is unique though. The league NEEDS L.A. to be successful. It’s clearly an initiative.

They thrived without a team in LA for approximately two decades though.

Maybe it’s more fair to say they want the new team(s) in LA to be successful?

And why would already successful owners in other markets start rigging the whole league to make a market they previously survived without be successful, possibly at disadvantage to them?

No disrespect, but this doesn’t pass the smell test for me.

 

[St. Geezy]

The League doesn’t need L.A. to be successful.
People will watch the games whether it’s L.A., NY, NOLA, KC, or Jacksonville.

They thrived without a team in LA for approximately two decades though.

Maybe it’s more fair to say they want the new team(s) in LA to be successful?

And why would already successful owners in other markets start rigging the whole league to make a market they previously survived without be successful, possibly at disadvantage to them?

No disrespect, but this doesn’t pass the smell test for me.

Right…what I am saying is that the league needs this PROJECT to be successful. Obviously the league would be fine without L.A., they just don’t want to see this project fail, again. This market being a part of the league is a big deal for the bottom line. There is a reason it was pushed so hard.

If what happened in 2018 wasn’t evidence enough, I don’t know what to tell you. I fail to believe that the missed P.I. and helmet to helmet targeting was an incompetence error.

 

[Saint Jack]

They thrived without a team in LA for approximately two decades though.

Maybe it’s more fair to say they want the new team(s) in LA to be successful?

And why would already successful owners in other markets start rigging the whole league to make a market they previously survived without be successful, possibly at disadvantage to them?

No disrespect, but this doesn’t pass the smell test for me.

The thing about the NFL is they do not need a Rams/Jets or a Chargers/Giants Super Bowl like MLB needs a Yankees/Dodgers World Series or a Lakers/Celtics NBA Finals.
The Saints/Colts Super Bowl started the trend of the Super Bowl breaking the all time viewing record.
And the ‘09 NFCCG is still the highest (or nearly highest) rated conference championship game.

 

[Saint Jack]

Right…what I am saying is that the league needs this project to be successful. Obviously the league would be fine without L.A., they just don’t want to see this project fail, again. This market being a part of the league is a big deal for the bottom line. There is a reason it was pushed so hard.

The Rams aren’t going to fail even if they go 2-15.
The only reason they moved to St. Louis in the first place was because the owner at the time just wanted to go back to her hometown.