Vikings No Call, Integrity of the Game and the Saints (1 Viewer)

[St. Geezy]

Left in 94…i would have been three.

You’re right. Bad math on my part but further highlights that you don’t have the full context of what you’re discussing.

For the record, I was only 14, so technically I was just a kid too. But I wasn’t the average 14 year old when it came to following the league. And I also know I retained a lot more information from when I was 14 as opposed to 11, much less 3.

That was easily the most passive market in the NFL. Fan interest was watered down between all the California teams (especially the Raiders), and it was a very transplant town. They were having issues there. Please don’t take this the wrong way but you really should go research these things.

 

[St. Geezy]

At no point when L.A. had no team did national interest in the NFL dip.
In fact, it increased over that time.

What does that prove though? Just because interest nationally rises doesn’t mean more interest in L.A. isn’t important.

Why do you think Goodell pushed this so hard for so long? Just for the sake of it?

 

[Saint Jack]

What does that prove though? Just because interest nationally rises doesn’t mean more interest in L.A. isn’t important.

Why do you think Goodell pushed this so hard for so long? Just for the sake of it?

Because the Rams should have never relocated to begin with.

 

[Saint Jack]

What does that prove though? Just because interest nationally rises doesn’t mean more interest in L.A. isn’t important.

Why do you think Goodell pushed this so hard for so long? Just for the sake of it?

If you have networks fight over the TV contracts when the NFL did not have a L.A. team, which happened during the switch to FOX, NBC leaving Sunday afternoon and later regaining SNF), it shows high national interest.

 

[St. Geezy]

Because the Rams should have never relocated to begin with.

If you have networks fight over the TV contracts when the NFL did not have a L.A. team, which happened during the switch to FOX, NBC leaving Sunday afternoon and later regaining SNF), it shows high national interest.

Just go do a quick Google search and read all the articles of Goodell prioritizing L.A. and why.

This was a huge league initiative for years. There were many meetings with all the owners, closed-door meetings. This was a league priority...and now you're telling me that this wasn't important for the league? They only relocated because the owner wanted to? That is just factually incorrect and I feel very comfortable in stating that you simply don't understand the subject you're talking about and need to do further research.

 

[Saint Jack]

Just go do a quick Google search and read all the articles of Goodell prioritizing L.A. and why.

This was a huge league initiative for years. There were many meetings with all the owners, closed-door meetings. This was a league priority...and now you're telling me that this wasn't important for the league? They only relocated because the owner wanted to? That is just factually incorrect and I feel very comfortable in stating that you simply don't understand the subject you're talking about and need to do further research.

When the Rams had 49 years of history in L.A., it does show they should have never relocated to St. Louis.

 

[St. Geezy]

When the Rams had 49 years of history in L.A., it does show they should have never relocated to St. Louis.

Okay now you're turning this "debate" into something else entirely. Not sure what that has to do specifically with what we have been talking about, which is "why the L.A. market was/is important to the league to get back to."

I'm not sure how much more time I am going to spend debating this with someone that was 3 when this all went down and who refuses to go do any research.

 

[St. Geezy]

When the Rams had 49 years of history in L.A., it does show they should have never relocated to St. Louis.

There are countless articles out there but here's a couple of quick A.I. blurbs on the subject. The Rams were having severe fan interest issues, on multiple levels. It wasn't just about the owner.

And yes, the league strongly values L.A. regardless of the fact that interest in the league was rising even before they got a team there. Just because something is constantly improving doesn't mean it can't improve significantly better.

 

[Saint Jack]

There are countless articles out there but here's a couple of quick A.I. blurbs on the subject. The Rams were having severe fan interest issues, on multiple levels. It wasn't just about the owner.

And yes, the league strongly values L.A. regardless of the fact that interest in the league was rising even before they got a team there. Just because something is constantly improving doesn't mean it can't improve significantly better.

Wanting to have a presence in L.A. does not equate to fixing everything in order for the Rams to be good.

 

[HouseCall]

There are countless articles out there but here's a couple of quick A.I. blurbs on the subject. The Rams were having severe fan interest issues, on multiple levels. It wasn't just about the owner.

And yes, the league strongly values L.A. regardless of the fact that interest in the league was rising even before they got a team there. Just because something is constantly improving doesn't mean it can't improve significantly better.

Los Angeles is and always will be a poor NFL market because there are so many transplants in the area and thus fans of other teams.

Also, it’s harder for the stars to be “seen” in the stands with 75k other people as opposed to the smaller crowds at MLB and NBA games.

 

[St. Geezy]

Wanting to have a presence in L.A. does not equate to fixing everything in order for the Rams to be good.

Whatever helps you sleep better at night, my friend. I won’t say there is a large conspiracy, but the league certainly has some rogue officials and “fixers” out there.

 

[SystemShock]

Soccer has VAR (or video assisted referee). The application is not universal in all leagues, but in LigaMX, the VAR can communicate real time with the ref on the field, and say "I saw this", and it's up to the ref to review the play. In soccer, it can kill the flow of the game, since sometimes play continues, then the game is stopped to review a previous play, but in football, a VAR system would have plenty of time to look at replays before the next play.

 

[Saint Jack]

Whatever helps you sleep better at night, my friend. I won’t say there is a large conspiracy, but the league certainly has some rogue officials and “fixers” out there.

You’re theory doesn’t make sense because there is no significant change in TV ratings/national interest when certain teams are in the mix.

 

[St. Geezy]

You’re theory doesn’t make sense because there is no significant change in TV ratings/national interest when certain teams are in the mix.

It’s not about that or some year by year thing. It’s about sustaining the long term presence in L.A. and attempting to reap the long term benefits.

Goodell: Long-term fit vital for L.A.

NFL commissioner Roger Goodell told reporters at the conclusion of the league owners meetings here on Wednesday that speed is not driving the process in the inevitable return of professional football to Los Angeles.

abc7news.com

Goodell and the owners prioritized this for a reason, and now suddenly Saint Jack from Saintsreport is the voice of reason that knows more than all parties involved?

Again, I am not saying that there is some HUGE conspiracy where everyone in the NFL is involved, but the league does have incentive to see the L.A. teams flourish.

I feel like you are changing your debate constantly though. This was more so about the importance of L.A. to the league initially, not so much the theory of fixing games or how wide of a lengths the league would go to make it happen.

This is an important project and has been for years, even before the Rams got there. A huge league priority.

You're speaking more so from anecdotal/conjecture evidence type stuff rather than actual facts about the things that went on during that time. I don't feel you have the full context of how important this initiative was.

 

[Saint Jack]

It’s not about that or some year by year thing. It’s about sustaining the long term presence in L.A. and attempting to reap the long term benefits.

Goodell: Long-term fit vital for L.A.

NFL commissioner Roger Goodell told reporters at the conclusion of the league owners meetings here on Wednesday that speed is not driving the process in the inevitable return of professional football to Los Angeles.

abc7news.com

Goodell and the owners prioritized this for a reason, and now suddenly Saint Jack from Saintsreport is the voice of reason that knows more than all parties involved?

Again, I am not saying that there is some HUGE conspiracy where everyone in the NFL is involved, but the league does have incentive to see the L.A. teams flourish.

I feel like you are changing your debate constantly though. This was more so about the importance of L.A. to the league initially, not so much the theory of fixing games or how wide of a lengths the league would go to make it happen.

This is an important project and has been for years, even before the Rams got there. A huge league priority.

You're speaking more so from anecdotal/conjecture evidence type stuff rather than actual facts about the things that went on during that time. I don't feel you have the full context of how important this initiative was.

I’m not arguing that L.A. hasn’t been a priority. It has been since the Rams originally left.
And the “L.A. relocation” rumors have gone through so many franchises that it’s comical.
But seeing the franchise flourish doesn’t mean fixing/helping the Rams be good.
It’s the stadium. Having events like the Draft and possibly the Combine. NFL Studios.