Warmups in practice were voluntary under Dennis Allen (merged) (39 Viewers)

[ELLIASJWILLIAMS]

Lots of doodoo out there these days lol

And I’m surre you’re right Elias. You know some just won’t do it without being forced, and I wonder if that correlates to who gets injuries. I’m sure they k ow who they are. Probably mostly the youth guns who still think they are bullet proof

But stilll. I’m sticking with

I mean, we're on the same page. I study numerology and chinese astrology. I think it does have something to do w/ the energy. New Orleans was established in a dog year, 2024 is a dragon year...opposite/enemy energy. Typically things don't go well, but I also believe everything happens for a reason. Dennis Allen had worn out his welcome, and things happened in such a way that he's now gone. It is what it is and yet....is it not odd that the injuries aren't only hitting the Saints but the Pels as well?

Both New Orleans based teams

 

[SaintsMan209]

Dennis Allen took the approach "they're professionals". Sean Payton took the approach "they're kids that need to be told what to do." Ideally you'd have a coach that was somewhere in the middle most of the time butknew when to push harder and when to back off. that's the key to being a great leader.

 

[St. Geezy]

Ibm
I still say professional athletes who depend on their bodies for their livelihood are usually pretty good at knowing how to take care of them.

Bad voodoo is the reason for all injuries

You would think so, but sometimes naturally we all would tend to take advantage when the boss says we can be excused from something work-related, especially physical type work, athletes too…hell, ESPECIALLY athletes.

 

[Randy Jones]

You would think so, but sometimes naturally we all would tend to take advantage when the boss says we can be excused from something work-related, especially physical type work, athletes too…hell, ESPECIALLY athletes.

It may depend on the college program they came out in regard to their attitude towards exercise. Ive known people who are gym rats and only eat certain foods they consider heathy. Other athletes do the bare minimum just to get by and rely on their God-given athleticism to get by. This discrepancy probably applies to “activation” too.

I wonder if there is enough evidence in studies to make any definitive conclusions.

 

[Super]

I mean, we're on the same page. I study numerology and chinese astrology. I think it does have something to do w/ the energy. New Orleans was established in a dog year, 2024 is a dragon year...opposite/enemy energy. Typically things don't go well, but I also believe everything happens for a reason. Dennis Allen had worn out his welcome, and things happened in such a way that he's now gone. It is what it is and yet....is it not odd that the injuries aren't only hitting the Saints but the Pels as well?

Both New Orleans based teams

lol. Thats a little deeper than I can go but I love it.

And to sum up. Responsible professional athletes take care of their bodies properly, but I certainly agree that some are lazy ot take advantage. And what is needed for that is a REAL leader of men
and apparently we’ve been lacking that


Nonetheless. When asked I’m going with

 

[ELLIASJWILLIAMS]

It may depend on the college program they came out in regard to their attitude towards exercise. Ive known people who are gym rats and only eat certain foods they consider heathy. Other athletes do the bare minimum just to get by and rely on their God-given athleticism to get by. This discrepancy probably applies to “activation” too.

I wonder if there is enough evidence in studies to make any definitive conclusions.

yeah, hardwork beats talent every time. Gotta maximize gifts. Perfect example of that is Michael Thomas. Not the most talented or athletic WR in that draft, but he absolutely maximized every ounce of his athleticism to become who he became.

 

[sainthood]

It is a coaching culture issue. There are voluntary elements of an overall practice schedule that are negotiated league wide by the players union to avoid things like excessive two a day or padded practices. This is not one of them. This speaks to a lack of attention to detail and a man who knows he should have never been the head coach telling players I will let you decide on if you want to warm up and how. It opens the door to undisciplined behavior and freedom to trusted veterans who in theory know better than the sports science team the franchise hires. It's stupid.

In my professional career I have worked at places that lacked leadership. The telltale sign is to cater to exceptions for individuals rather than follow a system and solve the system rather than the individual. Bad leaders never see how a system causes problems and instead over focuses on the individual as the problem. It leads to suboptimal results.

 

[ELLIASJWILLIAMS]

It is a coaching culture issue. There are voluntary elements of an overall practice schedule that are negotiated league wide by the players union to avoid things like excessive two a day or padded practices. This is not one of them. This speaks to a lack of attention to detail and a man who knows he should have never been the head coach telling players I will let you decide on if you want to warm up and how. It opens the door to undisciplined behavior and freedom to trusted veterans who in theory know better than the sports science team the franchise hires. It's stupid.

In my professional career I have worked at places that lacked leadership. The telltale sign is to cater to exceptions for individuals rather than follow a system and solve the system rather than the individual. Bad leaders never see how a system causes problems and instead over focuses on the individual as the problem. It leads to suboptimal results.

touche. Perhaps that's why i just can't wrap my head around Rizzi making all these changes, meanwhile everytime Allen was asked, what are they doing for certain things he'd just say "were looking into it"

It's very mind boggling to me. and yet, I see all of this stuff being present as opportunities for Allen to grow....and he simply refused. He had the power to do the things Rizzi is doing and just didn't.

 

[saintmdterps]

Heck, I warm up before eating lunch.

I sometimes warm up before getting out of bed so nothing gets damaged.

 

[meily]

Dennis Allen took the approach "they're professionals". Sean Payton took the approach "this is how it needs to be done." Ideally you'd have a coach that was somewhere in the middle most of the time butknew when to push harder and when to back off. that's the key to being a great leader.

FIFY

 

[44slayer]

The Never Dennis Coalition has been at this for years, when a dude has no control on the surface, when he exhibits no authority on camera, he sure as heck doesn't have any control when no one is looking. Somehow, in ways Ill never understand, this was worse than even the NDC knew. I'm just, blown away that after all this comes out, after Gayle had to do Mickeys job.....that Mickey still has his job. This franchise since 2019 has been the worst run in the NFL. Sure there are other teams that are terrible. But most of them didn't have a 15 years period of success, a culture shift.

Its amazing to me 1) How insanely important a NFL QB is, and spefically Drew Brees 2) How important it is for a HC to be accountable and meticulous and 3) how a GM like Loomis needed Hall of Famers at both 1 and 2 to cover his deficiencies.

Dennis is gone. Mick, do us a solid. Move yourself out of operations.

 

[SigFreudianSlip]

So help me, if we don't have another hammy or groin injury for the rest of this season, I'm going to hunt down Dennis Allen and let the air out of all his tires!

Just make sure you warm up first.

 

[Day1]

Bum Phillips had that "they're grown men, they know what to do" attitude and see where it got him. Half his teams in NO were coked out of their minds.