What did Ingram Say? (1 Viewer)

[guidomerkinsrules]

If something is true, then it is a fact.

It is true and factual that MI ran the ball, got tackled, got up and yelled what he yelled at the sidelines
BUT
Whether or not he was yelling at someone
Whether or not that was SP
Whether or not it was heat of the moment or long simmering frustration
Etc etc
Those are all inferences and interpretations and until they are corroborated by 1st person account (MI clarifying his intent) they are not facts nor could they be considered true

Now again, it’s almost certain that MI was yelling at SP, not arguing that, I just get distressed seeing adults not know what facts are and then doubling down on their incorrect understanding

 

[livefromDC]

If something is true, then it is a fact.

No. Gravity, for example, has caused objects to fall to earth based on their mass for as long as observances have been made. It's true that when you drop something, it will fall. That doesn't make it fact. Just because it has been observed to occur in all previous cases, doesn't make something fact, hence the theory of relativity which describes gravity.

It's not a fact because we don't know with 100% certainty that the words were directed at Payton. It's looks 99% certain that they were, but without Ingram saying "stop running that ******** ****, [Sean]" or saying later in a press conference, "yeah, I told Sean to stop running that ****", it's not a fact.

Words have meaning. Fact does not mean what you think it means. What you are describing would more closely resemble a theory. Without objective direct correlations between Ingram's words and Payton, it's just a theory. What we have is subjective proof. He was looking at him. Payton calls the plays. Both of those instances require us to infer that he's talking to Payton. If it was a fact on its own merit, inference would not be necessary.

 

[Slaw]

No. Gravity, for example, has caused objects to fall to earth based on their mass for as long as observances have been made. It's true that when you drop something, it will fall. That doesn't make it fact. Just because it has been observed to occur in all previous cases, doesn't make something fact, hence the theory of relativity which describes gravity.

It's not a fact because we don't know with 100% certainty that the words were directed at Payton. It's looks 99% certain that they were, but without Ingram saying "stop running that ******** ****, [Sean]" or saying later in a press conference, "yeah, I told Sean to stop running that ****", it's not a fact.

Words have meaning. Fact does not mean what you think it means. What you are describing would more closely resemble a theory. Without objective direct correlations between Ingram's words and Payton, it's just a theory. What we have is subjective proof. He was looking at him. Payton calls the plays. Both of those instances require us to infer that he's talking to Payton. If it was a fact on its own merit, inference would not be necessary.

Too technical for me. I consider gravity a fact.

Me: If I jump all this building, I will fall. Fact.
Poindexter: Well, technically speaking...

 

[livefromDC]

Too technical for me. I consider gravity a fact.

Me: If I jump all this building, I will fall. Fact.
Poindexter: Well, technically speaking...

If you jump all of any building, you're Superman.

Smh...we're doomed.

 

[You]

Ingram was annoyed at the playcall. No problem imo. Drew also gets annoyed at playcalling and I’ve heard him express it to Payton. He won’t yell it like Ingram did but he lets it be known if he’s not happy.

Yelling it like that is childish. Just tell Payton on the sideline. No reason for the opponent to hear it.

 

[Slaw]

If you jump all of any building, you're Superman.

Smh...we're doomed.

Off*

 

[cwesleyc]

Ingram is an emotional player. That's part of what makes him an asset. I have the feeling that he has been held back some in preparation for the playoffs so that he's fresh, but that's pure speculation. He has an ability to take over a game when used to his full extent. It's frustrating for a defense to get ran over and then get outran.

 

[guidomerkinsrules]

Ingram was annoyed at the playcall. No problem imo. Drew also gets annoyed at playcalling and I’ve heard him express it to Payton. He won’t yell it like Ingram did but he lets it be known if he’s not happy.

Yelling it like that is childish. Just tell Payton on the sideline. No reason for the opponent to hear it.

i think the metric should be effective/ineffective
if yelling is going to fire him up, if it's going to sharpen SP - then fine
if it's going to make make MI try 'too' hard or make SP not call certain plays b/c hurt feelings - then bad
at the end of the day SP knows who MI is and probably prefers angry MI to polite MI

 

[guidomerkinsrules]

Too technical for me. I consider gravity a fact.

Me: If I jump all this building, I will fall. Fact.
Poindexter: Well, technically speaking...

be that as it may the interpretation of the video is not a "fact"
there is more than enough vocabulary to describe it accurately without the poster feeling the need to hammer home his point by misusing terms

 

[Sandman]

I am the sexist man alive. Fact.

 

[You]

i think the metric should be effective/ineffective
if yelling is going to fire him up, if it's going to sharpen SP - then fine
if it's going to make make MI try 'too' hard or make SP not call certain plays b/c hurt feelings - then bad
at the end of the day SP knows who MI is and probably prefers angry MI to polite MI

Probly not a good idea to let the opponent in on the complaint...

 

[bobad]

Naw, you can clearly hear in the video he yells quit running that sh*t

Oh oh... Mark is lucky there's not an NFL team in Siberia.

 

[SigFreudianSlip]

I am the sexist man alive. Fact.

Kudos to you for admitting that during these times.
You misogynist you. ?

 

[guidomerkinsrules]

Probly not a good idea to let the opponent in on the complaint...

mmm....maybe
what do you think is the downside?
do you think the D would call different alignments based on MI getting frustrated?

Drew fussed at Arnold, SP fussed at TQS after specific plays - do those have a similar danger?

 

[guidomerkinsrules]

I am the sexist man alive. Fact.

yeah, but it's a UDFA sexy
mine is a 1st rd talent sexy even though i am underperforming atm