What remains of the Anthony Davis Trade... (1 Viewer)

[Taker597]

What we started off with:

- Brandom Ingram
- Josh Hart
- Lonzo Ball
- 2019 4th overall pick
- 3 1st round picks and 1 pick swap

What you ended up drafting with those picks:

• Jaxson Hayes
• Nickeil Alexander-Walker
• Didi Louzada
• Herb Jones
• Dyson Daniels

What you ultimately traded all that for and currently ended up with on your roster:

CJ McCollum(Will be an expiring next season)
Dejointe Murray (Will miss the start of next season from an Achilles injury)

 

[SonOfNOLA]

They should’ve let the original trade return grow with each other. Hart, Daniels, NAW, and Hayes with Herb, Trey, Hawk, Yves, BI, and Zion, would have eventually became a deep playoff team if they just waited a couple seasons from the time the former were moved or walked.

They had an arsenal of u27 talent already on the team. Forced a championship contending deadline to appease an injury prone star by moving long term productive players for very short term, declining vets. Now they end up blowing the team up in short time with nothing to show for and hope they can draft replacements of the players that they traded. Griff made trades for the approval or interests of a part time player.

The Thunder talent model was present on the team but with a coach who can only coach older vets and a VPBO who’s centering personnel moves around one player.

 

[SonOfNOLA]

 

[SAINTSFAN]

What we started off with:

- Brandom Ingram
- Josh Hart
- Lonzo Ball
- 2019 4th overall pick
- 3 1st round picks and 1 pick swap

What you ended up drafting with those picks:

• Jaxson Hayes
• Nickeil Alexander-Walker
• Didi Louzada
• Herb Jones
• Dyson Daniels

What you ultimately traded all that for and currently ended up with on your roster:

CJ McCollum(Will be an expiring next season)
Dejointe Murray (Will miss the start of next season from an Achilles injury)

If only Griffin would not have rushed the rebuild and just took Garland at #4!

 

[LAhotsauce]

If only Griffin would not have rushed the rebuild and just took Garland at #4!

How did he rush the rebuild?

 

[SonOfNOLA]

How did he rush the rebuild?

He traded away several good young players from the AD trade too early for vets who only had a few good years left relative to their incoming salaries.

Someone put Griff under the impression that he was on the clock to win now with an oft injured centerpiece. Which meant trade away nearly all of the young talent. The team was better off paced at the development of players who are thriving elsewhere.

We had a deep team with a coach and VPBO who didn’t have a vision for them.

 

[Taker597]

He traded away several good young players from the AD trade too early for vets who only had a few good years left relative to their incoming salaries.

Someone put Griff under the impression that he was on the clock to win now with an oft injured centerpiece. Which meant trade away nearly all of the young talent. The team was better off paced at the development of players who are thriving elsewhere.

We had a deep team with a coach and VPBO who didn’t have a vision for them.

That's on ownership. They set the expectations to Griff that they wanted to compete instead of of just being bad.


But Kira, Jaxon, and NAW weren't NBA starters

 

[BayouSAINTJoe]

We really ended up the middle man of the NBA human centipede on this exchange.

 

[SonOfNOLA]

That's on ownership. They set the expectations to Griff that they wanted to compete instead of of just being bad.


But Kira, Jaxon, and NAW weren't NBA starters

Hart and Daniels are legit starters. They just needed more minutes and bigger roles. NAW could’ve been a decent 6th-7th man. But no vision for Hart, Daniels and NAW by Green and Griff to have some time for them to reach the potential that they’ve showcased in NY, Atl and even Minny.

CJ was acquired in the 2nd half of the same season Trey was drafted in. Despite the overachieving into the play-in, 2021-2022 was a lost season after CJ was acquired based on record. Hart should still be here and Trey should’ve had the opportunity to breakout during 2022 with the CJ minutes.

Just an unnecessary moving of young players to bring in a past-successful aging CJ just to look like they were making contender moves that had no court impact.

 

[LAhotsauce]

He traded away several good young players from the AD trade too early for vets who only had a few good years left relative to their incoming salaries.

Someone put Griff under the impression that he was on the clock to win now with an oft injured centerpiece. Which meant trade away nearly all of the young talent. The team was better off paced at the development of players who are thriving elsewhere.

We had a deep team with a coach and VPBO who didn’t have a vision for them.

They gave Jaxson every chance to show some growth worth keeping. He'll be out of the league in the next few years. NAW will never be more than an inconsistent bench spark plug. Dejounte was worth giving up Dyson since he plays a more important position better than Dyson ever will. Josh Hart is about to be 30 in a month. Meanwhile the Pels still have a cache of players they drafted worth keeping like Trey, Herb, Jose, and now Yves. With another top 5 pick on the way. You simply are not going to hit every draft pick out of the ball park. And you HAVE to go sign some vets on your team. It's counter productive not to.

You can't assume Trey would "break out" in 2022. Player development takes time. Trey was not ready 2 years ago. CJ was worth the shot.

Griff's roster work isn't perfect but he didn't rush anything. Injuries have been the #1 problem. We just never got a chance to see this team at it's best while healthy.

 

[Chris]

Injuries have been the #1 problem. We just never got a chance to see this team at it's best while healthy.

Yep. Injuries ruined any chance at us having a successful season. Dejounte, Zion, and BI were never on the court at the same time this season. Also, going into the season without a veteran Center seemed like a bad omen from the start.

 

[St.RobE]

Griff is to blame, so much draft capital wasted.
2019 we had not only #1 but also #4 overall pick. I HATED that we traded down instead staying put taking Darius Garland at #4

 

[Taker597]

Griff's roster work isn't perfect but he didn't rush anything. Injuries have been the #1 problem. We just never got a chance to see this team at it's best while healthy.

Griff really whiffed on those early FA acquisition and got caught spending picks off of bad contracts is certainly a bigger issue than injuries.

Holding on talent beyond their peak value has had gigantic repercussions on this season.

They turned down Ingram for #2 Overall in 2023 after he turned down an extension.

There is some procedural things that you have to do as organization. You don't let a player of value become an expiring or letting talent walk for nothing.

Letting Jonas and Naji walk for nothing. Ingram turning down a very necessary trade to Utah that add depth to roster was crippling.

Injuries contributed to this season, but the cracks in the foundation was due to some risky moves that didn't work for Griff.

At the end of day, Griff had 6 years. Which should be max to turn around a franchise. If he wasted 6 years on injury prone players. That's his perogrative. Time on the clock should be up.

Pretty soon. Dell Demps will accomplish more than Griff in 8 years than he is about to by the end of year 7 with DJ out with an Achilles injury and having the worst big rotation in the league.

It shouldn't take 10 years to build a contender in the NBA and I'm just being reasonable.