Why does our 5'6" receiver not do more comeback routes? (1 Viewer)

[Taker597]

I apologize in advance if I get this wrong, because I'm more in tuned with offensive line than WR play.




Harris is on the 25 yard line running towards the sideline. There is just a whole bunch space underneath.

This route is basically DOA unless is Harris butt naked wide up. I seen this concept with Harris probably way too many time where his route just get DOA by design. He's open, but we all know we can't make that throw.

DB has the height advantage and inside leverage to make a play on the ball. So, there is only way place to throw ball. At the sideline... High Arch back shoulder throw. It's a really high level throw that's really risky because of Harris's height. If DB got hops... It can easily be picked out of the sky at the catch point.

We know Harris can flip the brakes. He eating DBs up on curls.



Unless Harris going deep shot. They need to add an option comeback route when he sees wide open green towards the QB. He goes into the open space where he can regain that inside leverage.

His change of direction is so underutilized and it's probably the one thing that can hide his height disadvantage.

 

[Judge_Smails]

I apologize in advance if I get this wrong, because I'm more in tuned with offensive line than WR play.




Harris is on the 25 yard line running towards the sideline. There is just a whole bunch space underneath.

This route is basically DOA unless is Harris butt naked wide up. I seen this concept with Harris probably way too many time where his route just get DOA by design.

DB has the height advantage and inside leverage to make a play on the ball. So, there is only way place to throw ball. At the sideline... High Arch back shoulder throw. It's a really high level throw that's really risky because of Harris's height. If DB got hops... It can easily be picked out of the sky at the catch point.

We know Harris can flip the brakes. He eating DBs up on curls.



Unless Harris going deep shot. They need to add an option comeback route when he sees wide open green towards the QB.

His change of direction is so underutilized and it's probably the one thing that can hide his height disadvantage.

I agree. Harris is not quite as big as Tyreek Hill, but he has the same type of speed and ability to change gears and can run the whole route tree too.

 

[Taker597]

I agree. Harris is not quite as big as Tyreek Hill, but he has the same type of speed and ability to change gears and can run the whole route tree too.

It just feels like Harris can blow up for a big play on every down if we use his strength.

Yet, it feels like we gave him routes meant for Devery Henderson and not something that meant for Harris.

His route calls doesn't take in account for inside leverage. When you 6ft tall... It doesn't matter. Harris isn't and it's just weird.

When we send him to the sideline like that.. He just gets pinned and he won't be able to make a play unless there is a comeback cut to beat the brakes off a CB to shift him open. It's wack.

You look at concepts used with Steve Smith or Tyreek Hill. This just doesn't play to his strengths.

 

[2009ring]

It just feels like Harris can blow up for a big play on every down if we use his strength.

Yet, it feels like we gave him routes meant for Devery Henderson and not something that meant for Harris.

His route calls doesn't take in account for inside leverage. When you 6ft tall... It doesn't matter. Harris isn't and it's just weird.

When send him to the sideline like that.. He gets pinned and he won't be able to make a play unless there is a comeback cut to beat the brakes off a CB to shift him open. It's wack.

You would think that less than 10 years after having Darren Sproles on our team that CSP would know how to use someone with Harris' size and speed properly in the passing game.

 

[Taker597]

You would think that less than 10 years after having Darren Sproles on our team that CSP would know how to use someone with Harris' size and speed properly in the passing game.

Well, Darren Sproles was a receiver coming out of the backfield. A lot of the concept created for Sproles was used for Kamara.

Darren Sproles as a LOS WR wasn't that productive. Harris is exclusive used at the Los scrimmage.

Even though, Harris is the same height. He is more comparable to Steve Smith and Tyreek Hill. Who also got 3-4 more inches on him.

 

[Judge_Smails]

It just feels like Harris can blow up for a big play on every down if we use his strength.

Yet, it feels like we gave him routes meant for Devery Henderson and not something that meant for Harris.

His route calls doesn't take in account for inside leverage. When you 6ft tall... It doesn't matter. Harris isn't and it's just weird.

When we send him to the sideline like that.. He just gets pinned and he won't be able to make a play unless there is a comeback cut to beat the brakes off a CB to shift him open. It's wack.

You look at concepts used with Steve Smith or Tyreek Hill. This just doesn't play to his strengths.

Yep, Sean just dusting off the old playbook rather than customizing his concepts for the actual talent on hand.

Don’t even get me started on why we don’t run option routes for Kamara as the first read on first or second downs. Coach has forgotten that play, it seems.

 

[Beast]

Some of the stuff they were showing on MNF last night with Hunter Renfrow and Cooper Kupp running basically triple move routes could be interesting with Harris from the slot. Takes protection holding up, obviously, but using his speed and change of direction in that manner would be good I think.

 

[RaginCajun83]

Yep, Sean just dusting off the old playbook rather than customizing his concepts for the actual talent on hand.

Don’t even get me started on why we don’t run option routes for Kamara as the first read on first or second downs. Coach has forgotten that play, it seems.

I might be wrong but I thought they said during the broadcast that Jamies didn’t have the touch or just didn’t like throwing to RB out the backfield

 

[Judge_Smails]

I might be wrong but I thought they said during the broadcast that Jamies didn’t have the touch or just didn’t like throwing to RB out the backfield

I think that is a fan narrative. Besides the best set for that option route is Kamara in the backfield but in a wide set or closer to QB with motion and then the option route, which is upfield and a cut based on the defender position. It’s not a flat pass or screen.

 

[Taker597]

I might be wrong but I thought they said during the broadcast that Jamies didn’t have the touch or just didn’t like throwing to RB out the backfield

The screen game just to me is really dependent on surprise. I feel like you need a new pass catching RB to catch them off guard. You just can't be using Kamara for 4 years and think players are never going to adjust. You got 3 defenders on every play spying on him. No screen is going to work.

We got to get Kamara back to being an intermediate passing threat when protection is there.

The swing pass to start the game was really nice between them. Winston and Kamara just got to keep working on it. Winston has zero reason to be unable to develop a nice short pass touch.

 

[jessy]

We should try running Harris out the backfield a few times, not jet sweeps, between the tackles. He's so good at making people miss and lethal in open space.

 

[Taker597]

 

[MV2]

We should try running Harris out the backfield a few times, not jet sweeps, between the tackles. He's so good at making people miss and lethal in open space.

No way bro. He will get killed between the tackles. He may be short like Sproles, but Darren was nicknamed "Tank" and Deonte is no where near being a tank. He's a guy you want to be free of contact not running into 300lb DT's.

What I would like to see is him lined up in the backfield and run wheel routes, texas routes, or screens. That could be effective imo.

 

[Mississippi Saints Fan]

Just pure speculation on my part, but I get the sense that Payton has no clue what he's trying to do with this offense. Trying to run it 80% of the time, and we don't even really have a bruiser on the roster to do that kind of running. We've got two speed guys and a guy that can chunk it as far as they can run, but no one's open? Not sure what gives.

 

[2009ring]

Well, Darren Sproles was a receiver coming out of the backfield. A lot of the concept created for Sproles was used for Kamara.

Darren Sproles as a LOS WR wasn't that productive. Harris is exclusive used at the Los scrimmage.

Even though, Harris is the same height. He is more comparable to Steve Smith and Tyreek Hill. Who also got 3-4 more inches on him.

DS was used in a non-typical RB way more than you probably remember. HIm and PT lined up in the backfield together, creating mis-matches, people don't know who the heck is doing what. A lot of our best offenses have been based on mismatches. Kamara and Harris line up in the backfield together, who are you going to sell out to stop?