Would You Trade our 1st and 3rd to Insure that we Get Dorsey or Ellis? If Not What would You Do? (2 Viewers)

[natedog]

BPA I think that we can trade down in the 2nd and acquire a DT from another team that is stacked at that position.Like we did with Hollis a year or two ago.I like the way that that turned out.

 

[St Chad]

You mean trade back?

 

[CrazyWhoDat]

How did we give up the fourth this year for Vilma if the pick we gave up was a conditional fourth. I meanI thought that if Vilma played well then the pick could become a third then wouldn't it have to be next years fourth or third.

 

[RockyMtnSaint]

How did we give up the fourth this year for Vilma if the pick we gave up was a conditional fourth. I meanI thought that if Vilma played well then the pick could become a third then wouldn't it have to be next years fourth or third.

The pick we gave up next year is a conditional 4th. The pick we gave up this year is a 4th, straight-up. Obviously you can't have conditional picks this year.

To answer the OP's question, yes, I'd probably give up a 3rd this year to trade up if Dorsey or Ellis are on the board at 7 or 8. I think one of those guys helps our team the most. Then I'd look to pick up a CB or OLB in the 2nd round.

 

[longtime lurker]

No! No! No!
RE: 2003 NFl Draft
We had 2 picks which we could have gotten Marcus Trufant and Nnamdi Asomugha and we moved up to pick Johnathan Sullivan. Need I say more? Stay put and take BPA.

Ellis doesn't equal Sullivan......you just made me throw up a little St.Chad!

 

[St Chad]

That's what we said back then and the rest is history.

 

[longtime lurker]

That's what we said back then and the rest is history.

I can totally understand the uncertainty.....having been bitten once can make you gun shy.
I'd still make the move!

 

[fish321]

Im concerned a little about dorseys injury history, im concerned about ellis just because his stock rose some because of the senior bowl. I know that he didnt have any kind of meteoric rise but I think a big thing with evaluating d tackles should be multiple year(at least 2) production. Alot of these guys that rise in their last year or in the draft process dont have the motivation to keep in shape when there is no pay day in sight. Id trade out of the #10 spot, but down not up

 

[travelingsaintsfan]

I am also leery of Dorsey due to his injuries.

 

[SlidellSaint]

To quote Austin Powers: "I'll stay." I don't think we need Ellis/Dorsey so bad that we should trade away a 3rd rounder. There are plenty of gaps on the defense that we can fill with our 1st and 3rd picks.

 

[St Chad]

To move up to possibly take Ellis would cost us our second or thrird round pick depending on how far up we would have to go. So that would leave us with only two first day picks and only three second day picks. No DT is worth that (in this draft), in my oppion. By trading up we would only duplicating what we did in 2003. So I say stay put draft BPA or trade back pick up additional pick. I don't know if you remeber the 2003 draft we had four first day picks going in to the draft and we only walked away with two (Johnathan Sullivan and Jon Stichcolmb). Get over the man crush!

 

[St. PJ]

I would, and there is nothing else I would do.

 

[d3vanj]

DRC

 

[RockyMtnSaint]

To move up to possibly take Ellis would cost us our second or thrird round pick depending on how far up we would have to go. So that would leave us with only two first day picks and only three second day picks. No DT is worth that (in this draft), in my oppion. By trading up we would only duplicating what we did in 2003. So I say stay put draft BPA or trade back pick up additional pick. I don't know if you remeber the 2003 draft we had four first day picks going in to the draft and we only walked away with two (Johnathan Sullivan and Jon Stichcolmb). Get over the man crush!

What we did in 2003 was make an aggressive move to get the player we wanted. I don't see how that's a bad thing. What was bad was thinking Sully was the guy we wanted in the first place. Our mistake was not trading up but in grading him that high. But in fairness, I don't think that anybody saw the human meltdown that is Jon Sullivan coming beforehand. If we had moved up and taken Williams, nobody would be complaining about it so again, it wasn't the move but the player we took.

 

[Rugger]

What we did in 2003 was make an aggressive move to get the player we wanted. I don't see how that's a bad thing. What was bad was thinking Sully was the guy we wanted in the first place. Our mistake was not trading up but in grading him that high. But in fairness, I don't think that anybody saw the human meltdown that is Jon Sullivan coming beforehand. If we had moved up and taken Williams, nobody would be complaining about it so again, it wasn't the move but the player we took.

Very true. In fact the trade was really good for the Saints. I like the Saints always looking to make a move. I wish they would make better choices.