My case against Jarvis Jones (2 Viewers)

[St. Guinness]

What you consider "SEC hate", people who don't live in the SEC areas consider "SEC slobbering".

The SEC is really good because of the BCS system (created by - wait for it - the SEC commissioner) and the polls. Let's see how they do when the real playoffs start.

Real number don't exactly show a huge dominance:

<center>SEC vs. PAC-12 regular season: 10-12</center><center>SEC vs. PAC-12 bowl games: 1-0</center><center>SEC vs. Big 12 regular season: 6-10</center><center>SEC vs. Big 12 bowl games: 21-8</center><center>SEC vs. ACC regular season: 42-36</center><center>SEC vs. ACC bowl games: 16-9</center><center>SEC vs. Big 10 regular season: 7-4</center><center>SEC vs. Big 10 bowl games: 19-19</center><center>SEC vs. Big East regular season: 16-15</center><center>SEC vs. Big East bowl game: 3-8

Why SEC Isn't As Great In Football As You Think | ThePostGame

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I definitely feel there is an SEC fatigue that runs through this forum, and as others have posted, it makes since given that the Saints are located in the middle of SEC country.

That said, this evidence that the SEC hasn't been dominant is pretty week. Sure the regular season numbers are close, but did the author of that article even bother to look at the bowl games? Bowl games are a better indicator since they generally pit the better teams of each conference against each other and not USC vs a pitiful Arkansas or LSU vs a down year Washington. All told, the SEC holds a 60-45 win/loss ratio against all of the other conferences, or a .571 win average. Hell, take out the Big 10 bowl games and it's an even more pronounced landslide ratio of 41-26. 15 wins over .500.

Also, I don't get the bashing of Jones over his 40 time? Sure, I understand there are correlations between 40 time and athleticism, but I don't understand why variances matter at the OLB/DE position. For a WR and CB, I can see that a difference of .10 of a second can equal a few steps over a distance of 40 years (or a step perhaps at 20 yards). For a OLB/DE, what's the conversion of .10 or .15 of a second over a 10 yard area, figuring a QB in shotgun and a 3 step drop?

I've heard that Jones' calling card in college was his hand use (and Galette's tweet backed that up). To me, knowing that a player rarely just runs past a OT, hand use would be a much better measure of a player's potential.

 

[2009ring]

I definitely feel there is an SEC fatigue that runs through this forum, and as others have posted, it makes since given that the Saints are located in the middle of SEC country.

That said, this evidence that the SEC hasn't been dominant is pretty week. Sure the regular season numbers are close, but did the author of that article even bother to look at the bowl games? Bowl games are a better indicator since they generally pit the better teams of each conference against each other and not USC vs a pitiful Arkansas or LSU vs a down year Washington. All told, the SEC holds a 60-45 win/loss ratio against all of the other conferences, or a .571 win average. Hell, take out the Big 10 bowl games and it's an even more pronounced landslide ratio of 41-26. 15 wins over .500.

Also, I don't get the bashing of Jones over his 40 time? Sure, I understand there are correlations between 40 time and athleticism, but I don't understand why variances matter at the OLB/DE position. For a WR and CB, I can see that a difference of .10 of a second can equal a few steps over a distance of 40 years (or a step perhaps at 20 yards). For a OLB/DE, what's the conversion of .10 or .15 of a second over a 10 yard area, figuring a QB in shotgun and a 3 step drop?

I've heard that Jones' calling card in college was his hand use (and Galette's tweet backed that up). To me, knowing that a player rarely just runs past a OT, hand use would be a much better measure of a player's potential.

Ummmm....read it again and come back to me. The Big East owns the SEC in bowl games, and the Big 10 is even with them. SEC does best against ACC and Big 12. Pac 12 too small a sampling size to matter.

 

[cdogg]

Ummmm....read it again and come back to me. The Big East owns the SEC in bowl games, and the Big 10 is even with them. SEC does best against ACC and Big 12. Pac 12 too small a sampling size to matter.

Yes, and it's usually the Big East #2 team vs. about the SEC's 6th team....

 

[2009ring]

Yes, and it's usually the Big East #2 team vs. about the SEC's 6th team....

You are not only reeeeaaaalllly stretching the truth, but you fail to mention the SEC schools are usually playing in their home state or close to it.

2006 Sugar Bowl - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Louisville Cardinals vs. Florida Gators - Recap - January 02, 2013 - ESPN

just a couple of examples....

 

[St. Guinness]

Ummmm....read it again and come back to me. The Big East owns the SEC in bowl games, and the Big 10 is even with them. SEC does best against ACC and Big 12. Pac 12 too small a sampling size to matter.

So I decided to check back and upon doing some research, I found 5 of those wins by the Big East came from teams no longer in the Big East, mainly Miami and West Virginia. Now more importantly, the Big East has done better against the SEC in BCS games, going 3-1 (Miami and WV only count for 2 of those wins).

As for the previous mentioned 19-19 vs the Big 10, I'd like to know where the author (who CLEARLY has a bias against the SEC) got his numbers. This reference here:
mcubed.net : NCAAF Football : Conference vs. Conference records : SEC vs. Big 10
Has the win loss ratio (from 1998 BCS era til 2013) up to 24-19. Granted USA Today had the numbers 21-17 in favor of the SEC, but the link provided for that information was broken.


In all honesty, I'm not really sure why I'm even arguing. I watch SEC football, sure, but I am far from an 'SEC defender'. I honestly could care less, it's all cyclical anyway.

 

[ChopperSaint]

For all the people crying for jones the op made a lot of good points in this thread