Officiating at the End of Game (2 Viewers)

[SaintswonSBXLIV]

Wouldn’t this be a call in our favor though? Unless it was an elaborate trap to get us to spike the ball and get a penalty.

I thought Jarvis was touched down in bounds too. Sideline referee disagreed and concluded that clock stopped when Jarvis ran out of bounds.

 

[SaintswonSBXLIV]

Did you notice the ref was smiling when he announced the intentional grounding?

I caught that too. Kemp was obviously well aware of the rule and was waiting to show off. Credit him for knowing the rule and correctly applying it to the game situation.

 

[Sailorsaint]

QB must be spiking the ball in order to stop the clock. Because the clock was not running, it's grounding. Good call.

Nope, not in the rules book. Nowhere does it say the clock has to be running prior to the ball being snapped or that it is a penalty for doing so.

 

[SaintswonSBXLIV]

Nope, not in the rules book. Nowhere does it say the clock has to be running prior to the ball being snapped or that it is a penalty for doing so.

It 100% does. Go look up Jeff Asher's tweet where he quoted the rule. The rule 100% states that the QB must do it to stop the clock.

 

[Sailorsaint]

It 100% does. Go look up Jeff Asher's tweet where he quoted the rule. The rule 100% states that the QB must do it to stop the clock.

It says the QB may spike the ball to stop the clock, absolutely, not arguing that. Now, show me where it says that you MAY NOT spike the ball when the clock is stopped.

 

[Que Que 6]

Werner got flagged for too strong of a tackle. I guess it is becoming flag football.

He could have hurt that man. C'mon. LOL.

 

[SaintswonSBXLIV]

It says the QB may spike the ball to stop the clock, absolutely, not arguing that. Now, show me where it says that you MAY NOT spike the ball when the clock is stopped.

I guess you could read it like that. However, if you're not stopping the clock, then how does it not fit the definition of intentional grounding?

 

[blotch1]

It 100% does. Go look up Jeff Asher's tweet where he quoted the rule. The rule 100% states that the QB must do it to stop the clock.

I think you read his tweet wrong. He says the spike should have been legal.



"Also, the spike is legal as far as I can tell. The rulebook doesn't say you can't spike from a stopped clock."

 

[SaintswonSBXLIV]

I think you read his tweet wrong. He says the spike should have been legal.



"Also, the spike is legal as far as I can tell. The rulebook doesn't say you can't spike from a stopped clock."

I should have been clearer. He quoted the rule correctly, but didn't recognize the part that says the spike must be done to stop the clock. If the QB spikes the ball and the clock is not running, then by default it's grounding.

 

[FullMonte]

Nope, not in the rules book. Nowhere does it say the clock has to be running prior to the ball being snapped or that it is a penalty for doing so.

It's been posted a few times, not sure if it's in this thread.

A.R. 8.90 INTENTIONAL GROUNDING - SPIKE TO CONSUME TIME
First-and-10 on B30. The game clock is stopped with six seconds left in the first half. QBA1 takes the snap and immediately spikes the ball into the ground to take one second off the clock so that a field-goal attempt will run out the clock.
RULING: Half over. Intentional grounding and a 10-second runoff. A QB can only spike the ball to stop a running game clock. An attempt to take time off the clock is intentional grounding.

(bold emphasis mine)

https://nflcommunications.com/Documents/2021%20-%20Rule%20Book%20%20Case%20Book.pdf

 

[guidomerkinsrules]

im sure someone else has asked, sorry for not point-by-pointing the thread
but on Latt's penalty - it's a deadball foul with final clock at 0:00
is there a statute of limitations on when a foul can be called to add a play - like if their shaking hands and some player gives another player a swirlie, can refs call teams back out and mandate another play?

 

[Sailorsaint]

It's been posted a few times, not sure if it's in this thread.

(bold emphasis mine)

https://nflcommunications.com/Documents/2021%20-%20Rule%20Book%20%20Case%20Book.pdf

All of you are extrapolating what it says in the rule. Every penalty is delineated and explained and the result it garners. There is nothing in the rulebook saying you can't spike the ball with the clock not running. and what you quoted isn't what it says in the rule book. Here is a copy/pasted rule on spiking the ball....

Item 3. Stopping Clock. A player under center is permitted to stop the game clock legally to save time if, immediately upon receiving the snap, he begins a continuous throwing motion and throws the ball directly into the ground.

 

[Sailorsaint]

I should have been clearer. He quoted the rule correctly, but didn't recognize the part that says the spike must be done to stop the clock. If the QB spikes the ball and the clock is not running, then by default it's grounding.

It does NOT say that "the spike MUST be done to stop the clock". It says the QB is ALLOWED to stop the clock by spiking the ball.

 

[SaintswonSBXLIV]

It does NOT say that "the spike MUST be done to stop the clock". It says the QB is ALLOWED to stop the clock by spiking the ball.

Ok, and if the clock is stopped when QB spikes the ball, what is it? Answer: intentional grounding.