Daylight Saving Time possibly permanent 11/2023

[DaveXA]

I'm going to start waking up configured, thanks.

I wake up constipated.

 

[St. Chris]

You have to go to bed while the sun is still up!!!

 

[Optimus Prime]

 

[Optimus Prime]

 

[Wisco Steve]

I thought we were finally rid of this nonsense...but no, here it is again on Sat night

 

[faceman]

I thought we were finally rid of this nonsense...but no, here it is again on Sat night

Personally I wish we would stay on standard time all year. We don't magically get an extra hour
on sunlight by turning the clocks to DST in March. The days are naturally longer in the summer
and shorter in the winter. No clock setting is going to change that fact.

If you want 12 hour days and 12 hour nights year round, move to the equator.

 

[Bill]

I thought we were finally rid of this nonsense...but no, here it is again on Sat night

Nonsense it definitely is! There's only one reason why we are still dealing with this ridiculous 'musical chairs' with our clocks. And that is because it takes action by politicians to fix this mess. So if you're holding your breath waiting for them to throw the switch, prepare to start turning blue. The only vote that moves quickly is when they are discussing giving themselves a pay raise.

 

[Bill]

Personally I wish we would stay on standard time all year. We don't magically get an extra hour
on sunlight by turning the clocks to DST in March. The days are naturally longer in the summer
and shorter in the winter. No clock setting is going to change that fact.

If you want 12 hour days and 12 hour nights year round, move to the equator.

We all know this. I just want whatever daylight is available during each season to happen as late in the day as possible.
I'm at work for 4:30am during the work week and it's always going to be dark then. They don't need to make it where it's also going to be dark when I get off of work in the afternoon and can't get anything done because it's eternally DARK.

Most people don't need the daylight in the morning. They're just going to work anyway.

 

[gboudx]

Marco Rubio tried again, but I guess it died in Senate committee. My assumption is there isn't a powerful enough Daylight Savings Time lobby to line the pockets, or there is a powerful lobby who's against it and lines the pockets.

https://www.axios.com/2023/11/01/daylight-savings-time-change-2023-sunshine-protection

The push to make daylight saving time permanent​

Catch up fast: In March, Sen. Marco Rubio (R-Fla.) reintroduced the Sunshine Protection Act, which in 2022 passed by unanimous consent by the Senate but not voted on by the House.

• This year's Senate bill was referred to the Committee on Commerce, Science, and Transportation but there has been no other movement.
• Rep. Vern Buchanan (R-Fla.) introduced companion legislation in the House in March, which was referred to the House Energy and Commerce Subcommittee on Innovation, Data, and Commerce.

What's happening: Rubio, who has filed similar legislation regularly since 2018, told Axios that he is "hopeful that we can finally get this done."

• "This bill has bipartisan support in Congress and the support of 22 states," Rubio said in a statement to Axios.
• Sen. Rick Scott (R-Fla.) said in a statement to Axios, that permanent daylight saving time would benefit families in Florida and across the nation.

Reality check: The national effort to stop the clock changes has failed or stalled in recent years with a lack of support to survive committees. There are also regional differences over who benefits from changing to permanent daylight saving time or standard time.

 

[faceman]

We all know this. I just want whatever daylight is available during each season to happen as late in the day as possible.
I'm at work for 4:30am during the work week and it's always going to be dark then. They don't need to make it where it's also going to be dark when I get off of work in the afternoon and can't get anything done because it's eternally DARK.

Most people don't need the daylight in the morning. They're just going to work anyway.

I can understand this. At our latitude of 30 N we still get 10 hours of sunlight during the shortest days
of winter. Permanent DSL could work here. Not so for our more northern neighbors who would be dealing
with 10 am sunrises.

 

[Bill]

I can understand this. At our latitude of 30 N we still get 10 hours of sunlight during the shortest days
of winter. Permanent DSL could work here. Not so for our more northern neighbors who would be dealing
with 10 am sunrises.

My argument is still the same no matter where you live. I realize that the farther away from the equator you live the shorter the hours of daylight you will have in the winter months due to being tilted away from the sun. The question is: WHEN do you want those few hours of daylight each day?

I would venture to guess that the majority of people, no matter where they live, realize that having the light in the morning is useless. Particularly if they work in a building of some sort. It's the going home in the dark after work that makes standard time such a bummer.

If the politicians are all about the economy, then they should want the time to be set to when the majority of people are more likely to go out AND SPEND THEIR MONEY. Example: I have a backyard project after work that will require me to BUY some items at the hardware store after work today. I could have done the same project next week if it wasn't for the time changing back to the standard daylight hours this weekend.

With daylight saving time in place people do 'after work' activities into the evening for a longer portion of the year. And that scenario would be true no matter where a person lives in the country. No, the folks in Maine or Minnesota wouldn't have the same length of daylight than those in Texas or Florida, but they would get more done (ie, spend more money) for a longer portion of the year based on the amount of late day sunlight they would have in their area.

This isn't rocket science. If the entire country started their workday earlier in the morning, they are naturally going to have more daylight to enjoy when their 8-9 hours is up. But if it is dark after work for the entire winter season and everyone just rolls up the streets waiting for the weekend to get things accomplished, where's the economical benefit in that?!?!?

I realize that those who work outdoors and rely on the sunlight to do their job would not see any advantage to starting their work earlier in the day. But we need to be thinking MAJORITY here. Most outdoor workers have to adjust to hostile conditions anyway, and the wintertime tends to have a lot to deal with in that regard. But I can't understand why the average person would be in favor of going home after work in the darkness of an already setting sun. For most people, the morning darkness only makes it a little harder to put the key in their car door when they are just going to be driving to work anyway.

When are these politicians going to learn that it's better for the economy if they would wake up and see the 'dark'? Getting dark early in the day doesn't help at all when it comes to the economy.

 

[gboudx]

My argument is still the same no matter where you live. I realize that the farther away from the equator you live the shorter the hours of daylight you will have in the winter months due to being tilted away from the sun. The question is: WHEN do you want those few hours of daylight each day?

I would venture to guess that the majority of people, no matter where they live, realize that having the light in the morning is useless. Particularly if they work in a building of some sort. It's the going home in the dark after work that makes standard time such a bummer.

If the politicians are all about the economy, then they should want the time to be set to when the majority of people are more likely to go out AND SPEND THEIR MONEY. Example: I have a backyard project after work that will require me to BUY some items at the hardware store after work today. I could have done the same project next week if it wasn't for the time changing back to the standard daylight hours this weekend.

With daylight saving time in place people do 'after work' activities into the evening for a longer portion of the year. And that scenario would be true no matter where a person lives in the country. No, the folks in Maine or Minnesota wouldn't have the same length of daylight than those in Texas or Florida, but they would get more done (ie, spend more money) for a longer portion of the year based on the amount of late day sunlight they would have in their area.

This isn't rocket science. If the entire country started their workday earlier in the morning, they are naturally going to have more daylight to enjoy when their 8-9 hours is up. But if it is dark after work for the entire winter season and everyone just rolls up the streets waiting for the weekend to get things accomplished, where's the economical benefit in that?!?!?

I realize that those who work outdoors and rely on the sunlight to do their job would not see any advantage to starting their work earlier in the day. But we need to be thinking MAJORITY here. Most outdoor workers have to adjust to hostile conditions anyway, and the wintertime tends to have a lot to deal with in that regard. But I can't understand why the average person would be in favor of going home after work in the darkness of an already setting sun. For most people, the morning darkness only makes it a little harder to put the key in their car door when they are just going to be driving to work anyway.

When are these politicians going to learn that it's better for the economy if they would wake up and see the 'dark'? Getting dark early in the day doesn't help at all when it comes to the economy.

Im in agreement with you on preferring more daylight later in the day. But iirc, one of the main arguments to remain on permanent daylight time vs standard time involves schools, specifically kids going to school in the mornings when it’s dark and the associated safety concerns. Kids that walk/bike wouldn’t be as safe. Driving isn’t as safe. And it would be dark longer. Moving the school hours doesn’t really work to solve that due to daycare/childcare issues, if students go to school later while parents/guardians still go to work at same time.

 

[Bill]

Im in agreement with you on preferring more daylight later in the day. But iirc, one of the main arguments to remain on permanent daylight time vs standard time involves schools, specifically kids going to school in the mornings when it’s dark and the associated safety concerns. Kids that walk/bike wouldn’t be as safe. Driving isn’t as safe. And it would be dark longer. Moving the school hours doesn’t really work to solve that due to daycare/childcare issues, if students go to school later while parents/guardians still go to work at same time.

Where I live about 95% of the kids are getting driven to school by a parent or guardian whether dark or light outside. If that’s the primary reason for switching the time twice a year, it’s a poor argument.

 

[buzd]

I don’t know why they don’t just make the days longer.