Breaking! Saints fired Dennis Allen (6 Viewers)

[kcirdor]

Anything you see on yahoo, msn, forbes is probably just a blogger/your average member of Saintsreport. All puff and opinion..

 

[Rexman100]

I mean, consider the source. He's from Atlanta and is writing for MSM's Fansided.

Beyond that, he is ignoring the interview with NOF. I do question Loomis' decision making in not firing DA earlier and not being the one spearheading the investigation that Gayle Benson did. But I think Loomis would have fired DA at the end of the season. He was not going to fire him in the middle of the season because he is of the opinion that no good comes from firing mid-season. He just philosophically believes you don't fire head coaches in the middle of seasons.

I think he's wrong about that in this situation and even he admitted that Rizzi was making some good changes. But I think the idea that he had no idea DA was doing a bad job or would have kept him another year is unlikely. If Loomis can't or won't change things like trading up and adding void years to the contracts of 30 plus year-old players, it is time for him to move on and bring in new blood. But he has been changing those things the last couple years. But, I still think new blood with Loomis moving to a VP role on the business side would be preferrable.

As far as the cap stuff, I still think that is a bit overblown. Yes, it's not a great situation for the next couple years, but it should be fine after that and the Saints have never been big players in free agency anyway. And the few times they have spent big, it doesn't seem to work out.

In the end, the most important things are getting better coaching and doing a better job in the draft.

I agree 100% with everything you said. But something from that article did make me think. Is MLs cap strategy setting up ANY head coach to fail. Not just Da like the article said. But I’m saying ANY head coach. It kinda sucks to lose out on a Ben Johnson because of MLs cap games. Let’s be real.

 

[Rexman100]

It's hard to know, but I don't think the guy is a real "journalist". Not sure how MSN gets the writers for Fansided, but I suspect it's a freelance gig where guys write things that get hits so that other stuff they write gets published and they get paid.

Here is his bio: https://muckrack.com/john-buhler

Edit: Yep, they are independent contractors that submit stuff they hope to get published. It tends to lead to hot take articles that get hits as opposed to well written and reasearched articles. https://openings.fansided.com/#:~:text=In other words, you are,your own fandom-related stories.&text=Our Site Experts focus their,community around their chosen fandom.

So, yeah, anyone can write this stuff and they don't have to have any qualifications to do so.

Yea it really seemed like a well crafted SSR post.

 

[kcirdor]

The cap strategy fails because we then can't cut Junior Gallette when suddenly an investment succumbs to CTE. Instead of adding void years in order to have flexibility when needed, we ridgidly add void years just to keep the doors open for business.

 

[St. Widge]

Anything you see on yahoo, msn, forbes is probably just a blogger/your average member of Saintsreport. All puff and opinion..

I think Forbes has more standards that MSN or Yahoo, but overall yes it's all really just regular people blogging.

 

[St. Widge]

The cap strategy fails because we then can't cut Junior Gallette when suddenly an investment succumbs to CTE. Instead of adding void years in order to have flexibility when needed, we ridgidly add void years just to keep the doors open for business.

I agree that lack of flexibility to move on from players you don't want is the big issue with how the Saints handle the cap. They need to stop adding all the void years but that's mostly an issue with older players. But, I think all of it made sense when you wanted to keep the window open for a franchise QB and a team competing for championships. But, we have not been that team for 3 or 4 years so Loomis should have taken the cap hits earlier so they can be ready when they have another competitive team with a franchise QB.

That being said, Loomis has been slowly getting the cap cleaner, but I don't really trust him to keep doing it and I think it needs to be done faster.

 

[St. Geezy]

I agree that lack of flexibility to move on from players you don't want is the big issue with how the Saints handle the cap.

We can’t move on from players “you” don’t want or players “the team” doesn’t want? There is a difference.

I don’t necessarily believe the team shares the same “blow up the team”/“get rid of this guy and that guy” energy the fanbase has.

 

[No2DC]

I think Forbes has more standards that MSN or Yahoo, but overall yes it's all really just regular people blogging.

Some traditional journalist freelance with yahoo and I assume it's the same with MSN. However, those entities do not the have standards (credential wise) associated with traditional print media.

 

[soggymoss84]

From NOF latest article

When asked directly if the locker room needed the coaching change, Kamara told NOF, “Yeah, I think so. I think guys needed just a jolt, something fresh, something new. Because it’s just kind of been the same thing with no answer for a while. And we’ll see.”

Great stuff from Alvin Kamara on why the locker room needed a coaching change, what his responsibility is in that change – and the secret reason why he sits alone at the end of the bench on game days.
https://neworleans.football/2024/11/08/saints-alvin-kamara-body-language-leadership

 

[No2DC]

I agree that lack of flexibility to move on from players you don't want is the big issue with how the Saints handle the cap. They need to stop adding all the void years but that's mostly an issue with older players. But, I think all of it made sense when you wanted to keep the window open for a franchise QB and a team competing for championships. But, we have not been that team for 3 or 4 years so Loomis should have taken the cap hits earlier so they can be ready when they have another competitive team with a franchise QB.

That being said, Loomis has been slowly getting the cap cleaner, but I don't really trust him to keep doing it and I think it needs to be done faster.

I think this is another reason for a new GM. We need an objective assessment of our current roster and a coach/GM combo bringing in players to support the team's new culture. I'm not talking about guys like Cam or AK, but we need cycle out the guys who do not fit the next coaches vision. This will not be an overnight process but it need to start this off season.

 

[Rouxble]

We can’t move on from players “you” don’t want or players “the team” doesn’t want? There is a difference.

I don’t necessarily believe the team shares the same “blow up the team”/“get rid of this guy and that guy” energy the fanbase has.

It's not necessarily blowing up the team, just lack of flexibility in general. The fact that no other team has copied this strategy in a copycat league should be enough to know it doesn't work, and it doesn't enable us to spend as much or more as the next team as we get deeper into the strategy (22nd in cash spending this year despite having the 3rd lowest cap space when factoring in unused restructures). Not saying the cap is the number one reason for our struggles, but it's clearly not optimal.

Non-guaranteed years are the NFL version of an NBA team option, but we convert them to fully guaranteed years all the time. It's why Carr's contract would be a $60-70m contract anywhere else, but it's a $100m contract in New Orleans. I don't think the team would sign him to a two-year $90m deal with $40m in guarantees in 2025 if he was a free agent after this year, but that's the deal he will have (with plenty of dead money from 2023 and 2024 included).

 

[St. Geezy]

It's not necessarily blowing up the team, just lack of flexibility in general. The fact that no other team has copied this strategy in a copycat league should be enough to know it doesn't work, and it doesn't enable us to spend as much or more as the next team as we get deeper into the strategy (22nd in cash spending this year despite having the 3rd lowest cap space when factoring in unused restructures). Not saying the cap is the number one reason for our struggles, but it's clearly not optimal.

Non-guaranteed years are the NFL version of an NBA team option, but we convert them to fully guaranteed years all the time. It's why Carr's contract would be a $60-70m contract anywhere else, but it's a $100m contract in New Orleans. I don't think the team would sign him to a two-year $90m deal with $40m in guarantees in 2025 if he was a free agent after this year, but that's the deal he will have (with plenty of dead money from 2023 and 2024 included).

I don’t think my argument is necessarily that we can spend more; it’s just that this is the cycle we are in and I don’t think it matters as much as people think. That’s what Mickey is alluding to. Our cap issues mirror others but just sent a different form of cosmetics.

What team, aside from Denver, is signing a player to a contract as large as Carr’s and ridding themselves of it with ease?

The mistake was the player acquired, not the accounting style’s fault.

 

[kcirdor]

The Problem lies with the strategy. I just got my check, paid all my bills, emptied my savings and maxed out my credit cards for the next 6 months... my house flooded. Cant pay my deductible.. im forked. Cant borrow off the equity of my house cause my cards are maxed.... and my credit is forked.

 

[lilvipa221]

We can’t move on from players “you” don’t want or players “the team” doesn’t want? There is a difference.

I don’t necessarily believe the team shares the same “blow up the team”/“get rid of this guy and that guy” energy the fanbase has.

Correct and that is why we will run the fan base away with no plan and being terrible while doing it. We are paying more unnecessary money for the same results we would have had if we had "tanked".

If we gave Jameis 5 million a year to be the bridge QB, not paid Derek Carr or Chase Young we would have been basically positive on the cap and in a similar situation.

ML decided to go all in and put us in debt for a Derek Carr/DA led football team that lacks depth. Operating against the cap while being a bad football team is just silly. Having the option of using this method when it makes sense would lead to a great situation for a future coach but the mismanagement post-brees does not instill confidence in future coaches that we know what we are doing.

Continuing down this path without ripping the band aid off and not making bigger moves in the front office will lead to some very dark times for the organization. Mickey needs to take a step back. We should not have Khai Harley and Mickey in such important positions. We need to replace one of them with a football guy from one of the better drafting teams like San Francisco, Kansas City, Baltimore and also replace Jeff Ireland.