Breaking! Saints fired Dennis Allen

[Clintonrebel]

You tell me....

asking Alvin if they expected a coaching change after last week(the look on his face).... "i aint got nothing bad to say about DA but......you could said we was expecting it the week before and the week before and the week before, so you know...."

at 5:20......

WOW. From the horses mouth.

 

[DSnfla]

I don't know DC. In what way has he been maxing out since DA's been here..other than the 1st draft where we traded up for Olave and Penning because we thought we were still only two players away?

In the subsequent years Mickey has been handling the team, salar cap, and draft picks just like you're suggesting he should be doing.

ML is not much of a football guy as far as being a player. But a not so much football guy can be a successful GM if they have a strong HA and scouting dept. ML had that in SP and JI even though SP made some bad choices in the draft. Yes ML had the final say but it was more than likely
ML, I'm not so sure about this,
SP I am ,
ML , OK I'll trust you
He did not have that with DA

 

[DSnfla]

but it's not. lol,

Ask yourself, if this team stays healthy, no mccoy injury etc, based on weeks 1-2...was this a 10 win team? I think so, and they managed to build that team w/ the cap constraints you're speaking of. It's lacking depth, but another 7 man class can shore that up.

How dare you bring logic and reason to this board

 

[DSnfla]

Given the totality of DA’s record as an NFL coach, it’s extremely speculative to assume he would have produced a 10 win season if the team just had a normal level of injuries.

DA started losing the locker room his first year. He made bad in-game and roster management decisions every year, and his teams lost multiple winnable games in which injuries were tangential at best.

I am not trying to dog-pile on the recently fired, but his teams never beat good teams, lost more than they won against average team, and lost too many games to bad team.

Given that, it seems intellectually obtuse to declare that if the Saints had been injury free (which doesn’t exist in the NFL) his team would have won 10 games.

I mean, sure, it’s possible, like getting struck by lightning, but not close to probable, based on a lot of evidence.

LOL LOSING , loses the locker room. We stay healthy and we are more than likely 7-2 not 2-7 and we are leading the division and we are talking about DA turning it around or at least not being a big problem

 

[Judge_Smails]

lol, you completely ignored based on games 1-2. We were talk of the town, threads about how Kubiak would be a head coach potential and how we’d be unable to keep him. Threads about how Carr’s contract was a steal. Threads about how close Allen was to having same record as Payton

Sure you can write the above paragraph now w/ a sense of disgust but you can’t tell me this didn’t feel like a team that could have won 10 games after the win vs Dallas.

I mean you could, and you obviously are but Im calling meh on that just because you have the current outcome to support your argument.

In a vacuum you understood exactly my point, just refuse to admit it

I understood your context, but it literally ignored the “elephant in the room.” It’s like playing Parcheesi. It’s fun, but not applicable to most things.

 

[Judge_Smails]

LOL LOSING , loses the locker room. We stay healthy and we are more than likely 7-2 not 2-7 and we are leading the division and we are talking about DA turning it around or at least not being a big problem

Loser coaches lose so many games they lose locker rooms. It’s like not that hard to imagine, if you try.

 

[sfidc3]

See Nick Underhill's podcast. He says that he thought ML would have let DA go after the season. He also said that he heard that the decision was made BEFORE the Car, Game

LOL yeah , because everything reported is ALWAY factual

What's wrong with these 2 statements? What an incredible hypocrite.....

 

[sfidc3]

Given the totality of DA’s record as an NFL coach, it’s extremely speculative to assume he would have produced a 10 win season if the team just had a normal level of injuries.

DA started losing the locker room his first year. He made bad in-game and roster management decisions every year, and his teams lost multiple winnable games in which injuries were tangential at best.

I am not trying to dog-pile on the recently fired, but his teams never beat good teams, lost more than they won against average team, and lost too many games to bad team.

Given that, it seems intellectually obtuse to declare that if the Saints had been injury free (which doesn’t exist in the NFL) his team would have won 10 games.

I mean, sure, it’s possible, like getting struck by lightning, but not close to probable, based on a lot of evidence.

This.....all day long.....great post....

It just shows you the length that our so-called board "experts" will go to never admit they were wrong about DA....

But...but....but, if they were healthy (which NFL teams rarely if ever are through an entire season), this is a 10 win team!!!!!

Utter nonsense.

He has shown us over and over again he is incapable of winning close games, or beating good, playoff level teams......and most importantly he lacks perhaps the most important skill a HC can have, leadership ability.....

 

[silverbullet]

DA is not only a terrible HC, he's extremely unlikable. Bad combo. You can be one or the other. Not both. Saban is a tool. Great coach. Belichick the same.

Payton can be kinda dickish (although I mostly find him likable).

Allen is a tool and a terrible coach. That's why he's not mediocre.

He's not average. He's not bad.

He's freaking ALL TIME AWFUL. Like bottom three in the history of the game.

Anyone defending that is as delusional as Lupus.

 

[Rexman100]

Anyone know where this info comes from? This person is ranting and building a case for ML to be the next domino to fall, and to fall ASAP. I’m not to this point yet. But its hard to ignore facts. 1) we haven’t made the playoffs in 4 years. This year included. 2) We sit here with a maxed out full cap, plus another third. (70 mil over). And what do we have to show for it, roster wise? And there’s no light at the end of the tunnel in the near future. ML’s cap strat is a gamble, because it requires a team to win at a high level. Otherwise it’s a disaster. And a disaster it is.

MSN

 

[Nolan]

Anyone know where this info comes from? This person is ranting and building a case for ML to be the next domino to fall, and to fall ASAP. I’m not to this point yet. But its hard to ignore facts. 1) we haven’t made the playoffs in 4 years. This year included. 2) We sit here with a maxed out full cap, plus another third. (70 mil over). And what do we have to show for it, roster wise? And there’s no light at the end of the tunnel in the near future. ML’s cap strat is a gamble, because it requires a team to win at a high level. Otherwise it’s a disaster. And a disaster it is.

MSN

That MSN article is citing all of the information that we've been discussing in this thread already about him continuing to double down on his excuses for Allen instead of standing behind the decision based off of merit.

 

[St. Widge]

Anyone know where this info comes from? This person is ranting and building a case for ML to be the next domino to fall, and to fall ASAP. I’m not to this point yet. But its hard to ignore facts. 1) we haven’t made the playoffs in 4 years. This year included. 2) We sit here with a maxed out full cap, plus another third. (70 mil over). And what do we have to show for it, roster wise? And there’s no light at the end of the tunnel in the near future. ML’s cap strat is a gamble, because it requires a team to win at a high level. Otherwise it’s a disaster. And a disaster it is.

MSN

I mean, consider the source. He's from Atlanta and is writing for MSN's Fansided.

Beyond that, he is ignoring the interview with NOF. I do question Loomis' decision making in not firing DA earlier and not being the one spearheading the investigation that Gayle Benson did. But I think Loomis would have fired DA at the end of the season. He was not going to fire him in the middle of the season because he is of the opinion that no good comes from firing mid-season. He just philosophically believes you don't fire head coaches in the middle of seasons.

I think he's wrong about that in this situation and even he admitted that Rizzi was making some good changes. But I think the idea that he had no idea DA was doing a bad job or would have kept him another year is unlikely. If Loomis can't or won't change things like trading up and adding void years to the contracts of 30 plus year-old players, it is time for him to move on and bring in new blood. But he has been changing those things the last couple years. But, I still think new blood with Loomis moving to a VP role on the business side would be preferrable.

As far as the cap stuff, I still think that is a bit overblown. Yes, it's not a great situation for the next couple years, but it should be fine after that and the Saints have never been big players in free agency anyway. And the few times they have spent big, it doesn't seem to work out.

In the end, the most important things are getting better coaching and doing a better job in the draft.

 

[Rexman100]

That MSN article is citing all of the information that we've been discussing in this thread already about him continuing to double down on his excuses for Allen instead of standing behind the decision based off of merit.

Who wrote it is my question. A fan or a professional reporter?

 

[St. Widge]

Who wrote it is my question. A fan or a professional reporter?

It's hard to know, but I don't think the guy is a real "journalist". Not sure how MSN gets the writers for Fansided, but I suspect it's a freelance gig where guys write things that get hits so that other stuff they write gets published and they get paid.

Here is his bio: https://muckrack.com/john-buhler

Edit: Yep, they are independent contractors that submit stuff they hope to get published. It tends to lead to hot take articles that get hits as opposed to well written and reasearched articles. https://openings.fansided.com/#:~:text=In other words, you are,your own fandom-related stories.&text=Our Site Experts focus their,community around their chosen fandom.

So, yeah, anyone can write this stuff and they don't have to have any qualifications to do so.