Breaking! Saints fired Dennis Allen

[Hubig]

Needs to be major organizational changes in the offseason. Canning Allen isn't enough, the entire front office under Lauscha needs a completely new direction. Gayle should tell Loomis he can retire with dignity or be let go if he's not willing to be moved out of football operations to a new title. The direction, the vision, it has not worked. Him defending Allen on WWL has done nothing but make fans and certain media question whether or not he's the right guy. There is a track record of him pre and post Payton now and its not good.

 

[Cajun Mike]

It was clear from the difference in tone in the two statements From Gayle and Loomis that they didn't exactly see eye to eye on this.

I'm glad Mrs. Benson made the tough decision for the good of the organization. Who knows if Loomis would have ever done it?

Loomis needs to be next, we are stuck in cap hell. Almost impossible to get better when you owe players no longer here.

 

[ELLIASJWILLIAMS]

Loomis needs to be next, we are stuck in cap hell. Almost impossible to get better when you owe players no longer here.

but it's not. lol,

Ask yourself, if this team stays healthy, no mccoy injury etc, based on weeks 1-2...was this a 10 win team? I think so, and they managed to build that team w/ the cap constraints you're speaking of. It's lacking depth, but another 7 man class can shore that up.

 

[Judge_Smails]

but it's not. lol,

Ask yourself, if this team stays healthy, no mccoy injury etc, based on weeks 1-2...was this a 10 win team? I think so, and they managed to build that team w/ the cap constraints you're speaking of. It's lacking depth, but another 7 man class can shore that up.

Given the totality of DA’s record as an NFL coach, it’s extremely speculative to assume he would have produced a 10 win season if the team just had a normal level of injuries.

DA started losing the locker room his first year. He made bad in-game and roster management decisions every year, and his teams lost multiple winnable games in which injuries were tangential at best.

I am not trying to dog-pile on the recently fired, but his teams never beat good teams, lost more than they won against average team, and lost too many games to bad team.

Given that, it seems intellectually obtuse to declare that if the Saints had been injury free (which doesn’t exist in the NFL) his team would have won 10 games.

I mean, sure, it’s possible, like getting struck by lightning, but not close to probable, based on a lot of evidence.

 

[kcirdor]

if we were 0-9 id agree. But we won 2 games in dominating style. Did the players tell DA, hey, you can have the locker room back, but only for two games, then you're done!

You tell me....

asking Alvin if they expected a coaching change after last week(the look on his face).... "i aint got nothing bad to say about DA but......you could said we was expecting it the week before and the week before and the week before, so you know...."

at 5:20......

 

[St. Geezy]

You tell me....

asking Alvin if they expected a coaching change after last week(the look on his face).... "i aint got nothing bad to say about DA but......you could said we was expecting it the week before and the week before and the week before, so you know...."

at 5:20......

Alvin’s face when he’s asked about DA’s firing says it all.

 

[No2DC]

Given the totality of DA’s record as an NFL coach, it’s extremely speculative to assume he would have produced a 10 win season if the team just had a normal level of injuries.

DA started losing the locker room his first year. He made bad in-game and roster management decisions every year, and his teams lost multiple winnable games in which injuries were tangential at best.

I am not trying to dog-pile on the recently fired, but his teams never beat good teams, lost more than they won against average team, and lost too many games to bad team.

Given that, it seems intellectually obtuse to declare that if the Saints had been injury free (which doesn’t exist in the NFL) his team would have won 10 games.

I mean, sure, it’s possible, like getting struck by lightning, but not close to probable, based on a lot of evidence.

This is a word I don't think Mick, and some posters frankly, understand. The evidence of hiring, or keeping, Dennis past last year at most. was not there. You cannot just ignore his years in Oakland. The same needs to be said about our FO under Mick after Sean, they aren't getting it done. Ireland ( a Sean guy) had one good draft, and we hit on the coach's position group DB. Mick can't be fired but we need a real cleaning out of everyone because the evidence does not support them when you look at the past few years.

 

[SuperSaint]

It was Gayle's decision, period.

I've posted in the forum a few times recently that I didn't think Loomis would have fired DA even after the season.

Loomis is a type-A narcissistic personality who has trouble admitting failure.

He would have used injuries as the excuse and he would have run it all back.

I'm glad that Gayle did what was needed for the health of the organization moving forward.

Now, if they can get Loomis to stop sacrificing draft picks to move up and select busts, we'll be in a good place.

 

[kcirdor]

Alvin’s face when he’s asked about DA’s firing says it all.

He usually does a good job holding his poker face... he told big time on that one.

 

[SuperSaint]

He usually does a good job holding his poker face... he told big time on that one.

From all the reporting and reading between the lines, it's clear that DA lost the locker room when he didn't publicly defend the players after the victory formation TD that ended the season VS Atlanta.

Reaming them out behind the scenes is a different thing, that's expected, but apologizing to Arthur Smith?

Weak sauce.

 

[Rexman100]

You tell me....

asking Alvin if they expected a coaching change after last week(the look on his face).... "i aint got nothing bad to say about DA but......you could said we was expecting it the week before and the week before and the week before, so you know...."

at 5:20......

He said that because it’s a results oriented biz. Da going into the season we all knew he was on probation. So after losing 3 games, he’s was on a week to week basis.

 

[DSnfla]

Right, maybe that's because Loomis wouldn't have fired DA and likely would have kept him on in 2025.....at this point it's just curious folks would defend ML.....he's shown us who he is.....an egomaniac who was going to ruin the organization in an attempt to prove DA was the right hire.....it was so obvious at that disastrous PC last year......

I'm convinced we could have lost 10 straight and if it were up to Loomis DA would still be here....unless someone can produce evidence that says otherwise, I haven't seen any yet....

LOL you make a personal opinion and then ask for proof to the contrary when it is impossible to provide that proof. Easy way to have your opinion validated. I can say that Underhill said he thought ML would have fired DA at the end of te season

 

[ELLIASJWILLIAMS]

Given the totality of DA’s record as an NFL coach, it’s extremely speculative to assume he would have produced a 10 win season if the team just had a normal level of injuries.

DA started losing the locker room his first year. He made bad in-game and roster management decisions every year, and his teams lost multiple winnable games in which injuries were tangential at best.

I am not trying to dog-pile on the recently fired, but his teams never beat good teams, lost more than they won against average team, and lost too many games to bad team.

Given that, it seems intellectually obtuse to declare that if the Saints had been injury free (which doesn’t exist in the NFL) his team would have won 10 games.

I mean, sure, it’s possible, like getting struck by lightning, but not close to probable, based on a lot of evidence.

lol, you completely ignored based on games 1-2. We were talk of the town, threads about how Kubiak would be a head coach potential and how we’d be unable to keep him. Threads about how Carr’s contract was a steal. Threads about how close Allen was to having same record as Payton

Sure you can write the above paragraph now w/ a sense of disgust but you can’t tell me this didn’t feel like a team that could have won 10 games after the win vs Dallas.

I mean you could, and you obviously are but Im calling meh on that just because you have the current outcome to support your argument.

In a vacuum you understood exactly my point, just refuse to admit it

 

[DSnfla]

He could have just said, "We had some tough injuries, but it was clear the team was not trending in the right direction. We thank him for his years and wish him the best. He's done some good things for us, but this is a tough league and sometimes a new voice is needed."

ML nor any GM worth anything will never throw a dismissed coach under the bus nor will they make that kind of statement. The most you'll get is " We needed to go in a different direction" or a change was needed.
The fact is what ML said IS true. DA is a very good football coach, one of the best DC's in the league and maybe the best at coaching DB's
ML like Tom Benson is not an advocate of in-season firings of a HC. It RARELY helps and mostly is an appeasement to pressure put on by fans.

Underhill said he thought that ML would have fired DA at the end of the season. . I believe so as well unless we were to after getting mostly healthy we pretty much would have won out. Even so DA maybe would have been gone anyway.

Mrs. B talking to players in times of turmoil is not that unusual. I'm guessing the only difference of opinion between ML and Mrs. B was ML wanted to wait till after the season to let DA go