Breaking! Saints fired Dennis Allen (2 Viewers)

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He was already biased the day he hired Allen. So every thought and decision regarding Allen is/was irrational.

When you hire a close personal friend with a friendship of a decade, you are not going to enforce the same standard on your close personal friend as you would with any other coach.

I honestly think with Allen gone, Loomis decisions going forward should be sound.
 
ELLIASJWILLIAMS said:
I don't know DC. In what way has he been maxing out since DA's been here..other than the 1st draft where we traded up for Olave and Penning because we thought we were still only two players away?

In the subsequent years Mickey has been handling the team, salar cap, and draft picks just like you're suggesting he should be doing.
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In subsequent years, he kept the same salary cap philosophy. I don't want to sound cold, but we keep certain vets when other teams let them move on. Also, we sign guys like Car knowing in advance we are just going restructure. Outside of Drew, I'm not cool with paying a player after they've retired. Also, the word is we're picking up the bulk of Latt's salary this year.
 
No2DC said:
In subsequent years, he kept the same salary cap philosophy. I don't want to sound cold, but we keep certain vets when other teams let them move on. Also, we sign guys like Car knowing in advance we are just going restructure. Outside of Drew, I'm not cool with paying a player after they've retired. Also, the word is we're picking up the bulk of Latt's salary this year.
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Touche, but wasn't that a given? We didn't have a premium pick the year we signed Carr to perhaps get a QB via draft, and the Saints have a preference for FA QB's anyhow. So it's almost a given they were going to have to spend money for a QB. W/ regards to veteran thing, I'm middling on it. Keeping a good core together makes sense, especially if they're still playing at a high level. Outside of Cam falling off a cliff, the other moves they made were warranted.

I think the issue is more or less they didn't concede to a reset fast enough, and perhaps that was due to poor evaluation of where the team was, and where it could go under Allen, BUT it wasn't due to recklessness either. Just a misevaluation, and dare I say.... I still think this is a talented team that can/could win. I do believe the injuries derailed them more than we want to admit. It's just DA wasn't a good enough coach to navigate it, especially the Eagles/Falcons game. You win those 2 games and the cushion is larger, and we're probably still in it.

So that's more of a reflection on DA the coach...I think the roster/team put together was capable of 10 wins if the absolute worst case scenario doesn't happen
 
ELLIASJWILLIAMS said:
Touche, but wasn't that a given? We didn't have a premium pick the year we signed Carr to perhaps get a QB via draft, and the Saints have a preference for FA QB's anyhow. So it's almost a given they were going to have to spend money for a QB. W/ regards to veteran thing, I'm middling on it. Keeping a good core together makes sense, especially if they're still playing at a high level. Outside of Cam falling off a cliff, the other moves they made were warranted.

I think the issue is more or less they didn't concede to a reset fast enough, and perhaps that was due to poor evaluation of where the team was, and where it could go under Allen, BUT it wasn't due to recklessness either.
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Not touche, just an objective assessment. I feel Mick was too close to Sean and never considered life without Sean or Drew. A serious reset should have been considered after Sean left. The examples of what Mick tried (in house replacement)are not positive, especially when your HOF QB is gone.
 
No2DC said:
Not touche, just an objective assessment. I feel Mick was too close to Sean and never considered life without Sean or Drew. A serious reset should have been considered after Sean left. The examples of what Mick tried (in house replacement)are not positive, especially when your HOF QB is gone.
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I don't disagree, that's an arguable point. Though you also have to consider selling a reset to a group of vets and players that are still capable of playing good FB, is a tough sell. Even w/ firing Allen and trading Lattimore I don't get the impression that this team, these players, this organizaion are throwing in the towel.

Maybe they should...and maybe that's what you're hinting that they should have done after 2020. Fanbase would be more understanding of where we are now, but again perhaps where we are now is a mirage and it's being colored by the rash of injuries, not that we don't still have a roster that can win.

But yeah, I see why, where, and how you arrived to this and I don't disagree w/ the throught process.
 
Rexman100 said:
We're trying to describe in words, feelings. So its difficult. But I agree with you. DA didnt connect enough with his team. They didnt love him intensily, i mean intensilty. The more like, liked him, and understood him. Harbaugh wins the lockerroom in one passionate speech. Of course, afterwards, the hard work has to be done. But the team doesnt care, because they are preparing for war under their new General. SD has the best D in the NFL in a matter of months. Guys love playing for Harbaugh. (I wont say that Gruden does the same thing, because ppl dont like him) I just dont have that feeling about DA, his after win lockerroom speeches were...meh.
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One of the things that really annoyed me was that there were posters on this board that somehow thought by criticizing, attempting to tear down the most successful coach in Saints history that would somehow make DA seem or look better......

It was just dumb, braindead posts.....because regardless of how the Broncos season turns out, that team has good leadership and plays hard, the contrast couldn't be more pronounced......

Somewhere I saw mentioned recently, I can't remember where, that Saints fans know what a good coaching staff looks like.....I've been saying that since DA's first year as HC......it was a trainwreck just waiting to happen....
 
No2DC said:
Not touche, just an objective assessment. I feel Mick was too close to Sean and never considered life without Sean or Drew. A serious reset should have been considered after Sean left. The examples of what Mick tried (in house replacement)are not positive, especially when your HOF QB is gone.
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This. My statement about Loomis not admitting when he's wrong, I was only thinking of the timetable of firing DA. But really it does go back to what you're saying here. In hindsight, going forward in house didn't work.
 
Madmarsha said:
This. My statement about Loomis not admitting when he's wrong, I was only thinking of the timetable of firing DA. But really it does go back to what you're saying here. In hindsight, going forward in house didn't work.
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In hindsight accurate but in n the moment, I recall the mood on the board being it was a smart decision and made a lot of sense at the time.

Being wrong 4 years later is absolutely plausible but it’s not like universally most of us, including media didnt see the benefit in continuity at the time

And granted Mickey didn’t admit his wrong on the timetable we expected, there’s also nothing that says he wasn’t going to admit it at end of season.
 
ELLIASJWILLIAMS said:
Not as much, I think he's echoing what Loomis said. The change is good, guys have pep in their step, you can see a difference from the players, but we have to see does that stick ie...does it lead to winning. Assuming they do would be naive, so his response fits what I'd expect someone to say in that scenario. It's a we'll see thought process.

Yet, you know at this point, thinking hasn't helped anyone. I'm just hopping it FEELS different from everyone.
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It just needs to start with one game!
The Falcons and they are primed to be beat. They see us as the worst in the league and might sleep on us.
One win can make our players think that Rizzi has something here and they may work harder.
 
ELLIASJWILLIAMS said:
In hindsight accurate but in n the moment, I recall the mood on the board being it was a smart decision and made a lot of sense at the time.
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Okay, okay, I don't want to be that guy so I'll admit it. I WAS WRONG!!!! lol
 
sfidc3 said:
One of the things that really annoyed me was that there were posters on this board that somehow thought by criticizing, attempting to tear down the most successful coach in Saints history that would somehow make DA seem or look better......

It was just dumb, braindead posts.....because regardless of how the Broncos season turns out, that team has good leadership and plays hard, the contrast couldn't be more pronounced......

Somewhere I saw mentioned recently, I can't remember where, that Saints fans know what a good coaching staff looks like.....I've been saying that since DA's first year as HC......it was a trainwreck just waiting to happen....
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I agree 100%. The Broncos win ugly games. People seem to forget that we won a ton of ugly games w/ Brees under Sean. Its those games where you're like, ok, at least we won. Ill never think about this game again.
 
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