Breaking! Saints fired Dennis Allen (3 Viewers)

[Judge_Smails]

LOL LOSING , loses the locker room. We stay healthy and we are more than likely 7-2 not 2-7 and we are leading the division and we are talking about DA turning it around or at least not being a big problem

Loser coaches lose so many games they lose locker rooms. It’s like not that hard to imagine, if you try.

 

[sfidc3]

See Nick Underhill's podcast. He says that he thought ML would have let DA go after the season. He also said that he heard that the decision was made BEFORE the Car, Game

LOL yeah , because everything reported is ALWAY factual

What's wrong with these 2 statements? What an incredible hypocrite.....

 

[sfidc3]

Given the totality of DA’s record as an NFL coach, it’s extremely speculative to assume he would have produced a 10 win season if the team just had a normal level of injuries.

DA started losing the locker room his first year. He made bad in-game and roster management decisions every year, and his teams lost multiple winnable games in which injuries were tangential at best.

I am not trying to dog-pile on the recently fired, but his teams never beat good teams, lost more than they won against average team, and lost too many games to bad team.

Given that, it seems intellectually obtuse to declare that if the Saints had been injury free (which doesn’t exist in the NFL) his team would have won 10 games.

I mean, sure, it’s possible, like getting struck by lightning, but not close to probable, based on a lot of evidence.

This.....all day long.....great post....

It just shows you the length that our so-called board "experts" will go to never admit they were wrong about DA....

But...but....but, if they were healthy (which NFL teams rarely if ever are through an entire season), this is a 10 win team!!!!!

Utter nonsense.

He has shown us over and over again he is incapable of winning close games, or beating good, playoff level teams......and most importantly he lacks perhaps the most important skill a HC can have, leadership ability.....

 

[silverbullet]

DA is not only a terrible HC, he's extremely unlikable. Bad combo. You can be one or the other. Not both. Saban is a tool. Great coach. Belichick the same.

Payton can be kinda dickish (although I mostly find him likable).

Allen is a tool and a terrible coach. That's why he's not mediocre.

He's not average. He's not bad.

He's freaking ALL TIME AWFUL. Like bottom three in the history of the game.

Anyone defending that is as delusional as Lupus.

 

[Rexman100]

Anyone know where this info comes from? This person is ranting and building a case for ML to be the next domino to fall, and to fall ASAP. I’m not to this point yet. But its hard to ignore facts. 1) we haven’t made the playoffs in 4 years. This year included. 2) We sit here with a maxed out full cap, plus another third. (70 mil over). And what do we have to show for it, roster wise? And there’s no light at the end of the tunnel in the near future. ML’s cap strat is a gamble, because it requires a team to win at a high level. Otherwise it’s a disaster. And a disaster it is.

MSN

 

[Nolan]

Anyone know where this info comes from? This person is ranting and building a case for ML to be the next domino to fall, and to fall ASAP. I’m not to this point yet. But its hard to ignore facts. 1) we haven’t made the playoffs in 4 years. This year included. 2) We sit here with a maxed out full cap, plus another third. (70 mil over). And what do we have to show for it, roster wise? And there’s no light at the end of the tunnel in the near future. ML’s cap strat is a gamble, because it requires a team to win at a high level. Otherwise it’s a disaster. And a disaster it is.

MSN

That MSN article is citing all of the information that we've been discussing in this thread already about him continuing to double down on his excuses for Allen instead of standing behind the decision based off of merit.

 

[St. Widge]

Anyone know where this info comes from? This person is ranting and building a case for ML to be the next domino to fall, and to fall ASAP. I’m not to this point yet. But its hard to ignore facts. 1) we haven’t made the playoffs in 4 years. This year included. 2) We sit here with a maxed out full cap, plus another third. (70 mil over). And what do we have to show for it, roster wise? And there’s no light at the end of the tunnel in the near future. ML’s cap strat is a gamble, because it requires a team to win at a high level. Otherwise it’s a disaster. And a disaster it is.

MSN

I mean, consider the source. He's from Atlanta and is writing for MSN's Fansided.

Beyond that, he is ignoring the interview with NOF. I do question Loomis' decision making in not firing DA earlier and not being the one spearheading the investigation that Gayle Benson did. But I think Loomis would have fired DA at the end of the season. He was not going to fire him in the middle of the season because he is of the opinion that no good comes from firing mid-season. He just philosophically believes you don't fire head coaches in the middle of seasons.

I think he's wrong about that in this situation and even he admitted that Rizzi was making some good changes. But I think the idea that he had no idea DA was doing a bad job or would have kept him another year is unlikely. If Loomis can't or won't change things like trading up and adding void years to the contracts of 30 plus year-old players, it is time for him to move on and bring in new blood. But he has been changing those things the last couple years. But, I still think new blood with Loomis moving to a VP role on the business side would be preferrable.

As far as the cap stuff, I still think that is a bit overblown. Yes, it's not a great situation for the next couple years, but it should be fine after that and the Saints have never been big players in free agency anyway. And the few times they have spent big, it doesn't seem to work out.

In the end, the most important things are getting better coaching and doing a better job in the draft.

 

[Rexman100]

That MSN article is citing all of the information that we've been discussing in this thread already about him continuing to double down on his excuses for Allen instead of standing behind the decision based off of merit.

Who wrote it is my question. A fan or a professional reporter?

 

[St. Widge]

Who wrote it is my question. A fan or a professional reporter?

It's hard to know, but I don't think the guy is a real "journalist". Not sure how MSN gets the writers for Fansided, but I suspect it's a freelance gig where guys write things that get hits so that other stuff they write gets published and they get paid.

Here is his bio: https://muckrack.com/john-buhler

Edit: Yep, they are independent contractors that submit stuff they hope to get published. It tends to lead to hot take articles that get hits as opposed to well written and reasearched articles. https://openings.fansided.com/#:~:text=In other words, you are,your own fandom-related stories.&text=Our Site Experts focus their,community around their chosen fandom.

So, yeah, anyone can write this stuff and they don't have to have any qualifications to do so.

 

[kcirdor]

Anything you see on yahoo, msn, forbes is probably just a blogger/your average member of Saintsreport. All puff and opinion..

 

[Rexman100]

I mean, consider the source. He's from Atlanta and is writing for MSM's Fansided.

Beyond that, he is ignoring the interview with NOF. I do question Loomis' decision making in not firing DA earlier and not being the one spearheading the investigation that Gayle Benson did. But I think Loomis would have fired DA at the end of the season. He was not going to fire him in the middle of the season because he is of the opinion that no good comes from firing mid-season. He just philosophically believes you don't fire head coaches in the middle of seasons.

I think he's wrong about that in this situation and even he admitted that Rizzi was making some good changes. But I think the idea that he had no idea DA was doing a bad job or would have kept him another year is unlikely. If Loomis can't or won't change things like trading up and adding void years to the contracts of 30 plus year-old players, it is time for him to move on and bring in new blood. But he has been changing those things the last couple years. But, I still think new blood with Loomis moving to a VP role on the business side would be preferrable.

As far as the cap stuff, I still think that is a bit overblown. Yes, it's not a great situation for the next couple years, but it should be fine after that and the Saints have never been big players in free agency anyway. And the few times they have spent big, it doesn't seem to work out.

In the end, the most important things are getting better coaching and doing a better job in the draft.

I agree 100% with everything you said. But something from that article did make me think. Is MLs cap strategy setting up ANY head coach to fail. Not just Da like the article said. But I’m saying ANY head coach. It kinda sucks to lose out on a Ben Johnson because of MLs cap games. Let’s be real.

 

[Rexman100]

It's hard to know, but I don't think the guy is a real "journalist". Not sure how MSN gets the writers for Fansided, but I suspect it's a freelance gig where guys write things that get hits so that other stuff they write gets published and they get paid.

Here is his bio: https://muckrack.com/john-buhler

Edit: Yep, they are independent contractors that submit stuff they hope to get published. It tends to lead to hot take articles that get hits as opposed to well written and reasearched articles. https://openings.fansided.com/#:~:text=In other words, you are,your own fandom-related stories.&text=Our Site Experts focus their,community around their chosen fandom.

So, yeah, anyone can write this stuff and they don't have to have any qualifications to do so.

Yea it really seemed like a well crafted SSR post.

 

[kcirdor]

The cap strategy fails because we then can't cut Junior Gallette when suddenly an investment succumbs to CTE. Instead of adding void years in order to have flexibility when needed, we ridgidly add void years just to keep the doors open for business.

 

[St. Widge]

Anything you see on yahoo, msn, forbes is probably just a blogger/your average member of Saintsreport. All puff and opinion..

I think Forbes has more standards that MSN or Yahoo, but overall yes it's all really just regular people blogging.

 

[St. Widge]

The cap strategy fails because we then can't cut Junior Gallette when suddenly an investment succumbs to CTE. Instead of adding void years in order to have flexibility when needed, we ridgidly add void years just to keep the doors open for business.

I agree that lack of flexibility to move on from players you don't want is the big issue with how the Saints handle the cap. They need to stop adding all the void years but that's mostly an issue with older players. But, I think all of it made sense when you wanted to keep the window open for a franchise QB and a team competing for championships. But, we have not been that team for 3 or 4 years so Loomis should have taken the cap hits earlier so they can be ready when they have another competitive team with a franchise QB.

That being said, Loomis has been slowly getting the cap cleaner, but I don't really trust him to keep doing it and I think it needs to be done faster.