Breaking! Saints fired Dennis Allen (2 Viewers)

[DSnfla]

If you read Underhill's reporting combined with comments from OL James Hurst on local TV, you get a clearer picture of what happened at the end of the season last year. Whether you call it "Mutiny" or some other word, DA clearly lost the locker room. They all thought Loomis was going to announce DA had been fired when he called the meeting last year LOL. I'll see if I can find the link.

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here you go

Yes , and then all TC Nick and Tripp we saying how much the team was " Bought In" to what was going on and the issues from last yr were gone.

 

[DSnfla]

It’s a fact that Gayle Benson went around Loomis to fire Allen herself while Loomis did not want to pull plug to fire Allen. Thats a fact reported by Underhill, Rapoport, and Breer. Ignoring or running from that reality seems to be imagination and gearing towards denial at this point. No one stated that Gayle is disappointed or upset with Loomis. Discussion has been Gayle made the move to bring change when Loomis didn’t want to which is what’s reported.

I don’t think it’s appropriate to repeatedly refer to the fanbase as “armchair GM mob” for wanting to see a winning product and cohesive team culture. Or for stating what’s actually reported.

People are calling for Gayle to re-assign Loomis because they’re connecting Loomis’ ”pressure and stress/Allen is an excellent coach” comments with the fact that he didn’t want to fire Allen while Gayle had to make the move. His comments appears to show how out of touch he is with the fanbase, the players and in decision making for deciding a HC hire. Gayle, on the other hand, values the sentiments of the players and fanbase, which led to her moving on from Allen herself after almost 3 years of below average results.

Yes but Nick also said that he thought ML would have fired DA at the end of the season . I think that was the difference between Mrs. B and ML, he wanted to wait till the end of the season. As bad as Hasslett was Mr. B waited till the end of the season to fire him. I think ML was trying to do what Mr. B would have done

 

[DSnfla]

Sorry man but if you look at all the reports on this, DA might have been fired even if they beat Carolina. Gayle Benson has been communicating with players for two weeks on this issue. It's not an issue that suddenly popped up after losing to Carolina. It seems clear he lost the locker room at the end of last year. I think he then more or less won them back over the offseason and with a better training camp. But after the long losing streak, it became clear to the players that the issues they had with him before were still there.

I think DA is a good defensive coach. But ironically despite all the people calling him a Beta Male, I think by nature he is an old school football coach. Problem is that he tried to emulate what Payton did and that isn't his personality. The players saw through it and could tell he wasn't being who he was. I do think all the personal attacks on him and Loomis are over the top. But, DA clearly was not getting the job done and lost the team. And Loomis showed poor judgment and/or an inability to overcome personal attachments in failing to see the obvious for 1 1/2 years.

That's poor judgment and makes me question whether he can still do the GM job. I was willing to give him the benefit of the doubt given that he had begun to clean up the cap, stopped always trading up, and actually had a deal in place to trade down in the draft. But the fact that Gayle Benson had to go over his head to fire DA makes me seriously question if he can change enough to still do the job. Sometimes guys just get burned out and you need to bring in new blood.

Payton had 3 straight losing seasons and people were starting "Fire Sean Payton" web sights . And some people were saying he won a SB so he deserves some leeway. Why does ML not get that same consideration?? He won a SB as well.

 

[DSnfla]

To be fair, Duncan is a hoe and that article about the parking spots was dumb. BUT, Loomis should not be focusing or worried about that. He should have been focused on the players wanting his head coach fired, his head coach totally mismanaging the end of both halves of the Carolina game (a pattern for him) and he should have been doing what Gayle Benson was doing.

I have always been willing to give Loomis the benefit of the doubt and I understand Loomis not throwing his friend under the bus after he was fired. But, he needed to admit that DA had to be fired because he could not overcome the adversity of the injuries and simply was not winning enough games instead of complaining about a dumb Jeff Duncan article.

How do you know that ML didn't know it was time to fire DA and because it would not effect the outcome of the season was going to wait till the end of the season?? . What's he gonna do come out and say we're firing DA and the end of the season but we'll let you know now?? . In fact Underhill said he thought ML would fire DA at the end of the season

 

[kcirdor]

how is your post count so low?

 

[DSnfla]

I've always believed Alvin was still on par. He probably doesn't have quite the leg drive he did on younger legs, but he's still got his unworldly balance and he was never a speed merchant. He's also incredibly smart for a RB in how he see's defenses which makes him dangerous in the passing game on option routes. In fact, food for thought.

Last year, Juwan Johnson was supposed to take the next step, and that revolved around him being utilized w/ more option routes. Remember, Carr was supposed to be friendly to TE's. Last year, Juwan didn't take that step.

So here's a curious question. Why was Juwan Johnson the target on an option route on that final play and not Kamara? We could look at our OC and say perhaps bad playcall and yet I've got to think the HC maybe say something like "give me somethign to Kamara here" and Kubiak under the guidance of his HC makes the call right?

IDK, lots of questions, not a lot of answers. Allen wasn't good enough and that's all it boils down to.

Gotta look at who we had left. AK drew double coverage on the play . he was open but behind the LOS. Could he have made those 2 guys miss? Maybe. But DC really made the worst choice he could have. If he had just waited 1/2 a sec longer and he had time JJ would have cleared the LB and was open

 

[kcirdor]

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[DSnfla]

Johnson was not the intended target.

LOL even DA said that JJ was the target kind of throwing DC under the bus

 

[DSnfla]

To my understanding, under Loomis, the only coach/assistant fired mid-season was Rob Ryan. Every hire that was fired was done 4-5 days after Black Monday. That's just how he does things.

That's how Tom did it , not just ML

 

[DSnfla]

I think there is a nugget in this article that is more important than if Loomis was part of the decision of Allen being fired.

I quote from the article on what Loomis says:

"And I think (the idea of catching up on the salary cap) is overblown, as I've said in the past"

That comment is reason enough for me to wish he gets fired. It is time to take a different approach.

Just think about this, Kansas City has multiple championships, the salary of Mahomes, Kelsey and Chris Jones. They still have the flexibility to bring DeAndre Hopkins.
The Vikings, Ravens and Bills are playing competitive football even as they take hard decisions to keep their cap healthy.

Every year, we are using the credit card to extend veterans that don't play according to their cap hit, just to fit the cap.

Please leave!

The Titans ate 2.5 mil of Hop's 24 salary leaving KC to pay 2.6 mil of his salary . They had to restructure Jawaan Taylor to fit him in so they are not in that great shape cap wise

 

[Clintonrebel]

You tell me....

asking Alvin if they expected a coaching change after last week(the look on his face).... "i aint got nothing bad to say about DA but......you could said we was expecting it the week before and the week before and the week before, so you know...."

at 5:20......

WOW. From the horses mouth.

 

[DSnfla]

I don't know DC. In what way has he been maxing out since DA's been here..other than the 1st draft where we traded up for Olave and Penning because we thought we were still only two players away?

In the subsequent years Mickey has been handling the team, salar cap, and draft picks just like you're suggesting he should be doing.

ML is not much of a football guy as far as being a player. But a not so much football guy can be a successful GM if they have a strong HA and scouting dept. ML had that in SP and JI even though SP made some bad choices in the draft. Yes ML had the final say but it was more than likely
ML, I'm not so sure about this,
SP I am ,
ML , OK I'll trust you
He did not have that with DA

 

[DSnfla]

but it's not. lol,

Ask yourself, if this team stays healthy, no mccoy injury etc, based on weeks 1-2...was this a 10 win team? I think so, and they managed to build that team w/ the cap constraints you're speaking of. It's lacking depth, but another 7 man class can shore that up.

How dare you bring logic and reason to this board

 

[DSnfla]

Given the totality of DA’s record as an NFL coach, it’s extremely speculative to assume he would have produced a 10 win season if the team just had a normal level of injuries.

DA started losing the locker room his first year. He made bad in-game and roster management decisions every year, and his teams lost multiple winnable games in which injuries were tangential at best.

I am not trying to dog-pile on the recently fired, but his teams never beat good teams, lost more than they won against average team, and lost too many games to bad team.

Given that, it seems intellectually obtuse to declare that if the Saints had been injury free (which doesn’t exist in the NFL) his team would have won 10 games.

I mean, sure, it’s possible, like getting struck by lightning, but not close to probable, based on a lot of evidence.

LOL LOSING , loses the locker room. We stay healthy and we are more than likely 7-2 not 2-7 and we are leading the division and we are talking about DA turning it around or at least not being a big problem

 

[Judge_Smails]

lol, you completely ignored based on games 1-2. We were talk of the town, threads about how Kubiak would be a head coach potential and how we’d be unable to keep him. Threads about how Carr’s contract was a steal. Threads about how close Allen was to having same record as Payton

Sure you can write the above paragraph now w/ a sense of disgust but you can’t tell me this didn’t feel like a team that could have won 10 games after the win vs Dallas.

I mean you could, and you obviously are but Im calling meh on that just because you have the current outcome to support your argument.

In a vacuum you understood exactly my point, just refuse to admit it

I understood your context, but it literally ignored the “elephant in the room.” It’s like playing Parcheesi. It’s fun, but not applicable to most things.