Carr wanted to be traded prior to restructure per NOF and CBSsports (3 Viewers)

[DSnfla]

I think you are ignoring Carr's part in all this. Calling out Olave on the field when Olave wasn't even in the read progression, getting into an on field argument with McCoy, and clearly not getting along with MT to the point where MT when off on him on social media got him off to a bad start.

Olave quit on the route, makes no difference if he was in the progression , even Olave admitted that. The QB ANY QB should have been upset with him. And it was not the 1st time for Olave. Players get in to it during a game all the time it's a game of passion. Haters were truly fishing for something to be negative about DC for. As far as MT, he was a shell of his former self and was not getting getting the targets he wanted. He was and will always be a DIVA. That no team wants him is a testament of that

 

[StudioSaint]

But yet so many people are doing mental gymnastics to try and convince themselves and the rest of us that he wants to be here and I'm just not sure why.

And just as many or more are doing another set of mental gymnastic routines to convince themselves and everyone else that Carr doesn't want to be with the Saints.

Does it not feel way less probable that a group of Carr hating fans and podcasters have a vendetta and are out to hurt him by making up rumors...

Doing it to hurt Carr doesn't seem probable. Doing it because they know that they will get a lot of viewers, which means more money for them and financial survival for some of them, is highly probable.

...and then getting them picked up by multiple national outlets?

National outlets care even more about money and less about accuracy than smaller outlets and some individuals.

Or maybe (just maybe) he simply wants to finish his career somewhere else. It's Occam's Razor in a nutshell.

That's not how Occam's Razor works. Occam's Razor applied to this situation goes like this:

• The Saints have publicly said they are high on Carr
• Moore has said he had a great meeting with Carr
• Loomis publicly said the Saints and Carr had some contract issues to discuss
• Carr's contract has been extended
• The Saints have not publicly said they want to trade Carr or Carr wants to be traded
• Carr has not publicly said the Saints want to trade him or that he wants to be traded
• Anyone can claim they have a source, any source can be wrong, and different people have claimed different sources are telling them different things

Following the principle's of Occam's Razor leads to the simplest explanation being the most likely. The simple explanation is to take what we publicly know at face value and ignore the rest as noise. So, the Saints and Carr have had good meetings. They needed to have contract discussions. The end result of those discussions were to restructure the existing contract. Since neither the Saints nor Carr have publicly said or confirmed that their is tension between them, everything is likely fine between them.

Any other conclusions are drawn from speculations to support more complicated explanations.

 

[Turfie]

Carr has to know his days as a “stake in the ground QB” are over. He is nobody’s future. He still gets “starter” salary with an NFL team. I hope he embraces another opportunity as our starter.

 

[StudioSaint]

He was benched because they didn’t want him injured due to the injury guarantee on his contract the following year. Not for performance.

And it appears in retrospect, that Josh McDaniels told Carr to stay away from the team facilities and then let the players believe it was Carr that chose to stay away. That's what lead to teammates questioning his character. When it came to light that it was McDaniels, his teammates changed their opinions about Carr.

McDaniels was the problem causing child with the Raiders.

 

[RaisingTheBar]

Carr has to know his days as a “stake in the ground QB” are over. He is nobody’s future. He still gets “starter” salary with an NFL team. I hope he embraces another opportunity as our starter.

After this season he will be in the Russell Wilson Jameis Winston category. Vet who can win you games here and there but ultimately whoever takes him will be looking for their future QB. And that’s not a knock, he’s made a lot of money in his career and look at Wilson, making 21mil next season to play that role.

 

[StudioSaint]

Carr is unlikable, I don't care how you slice it.

I hope you realize that is solely a matter of opinion and that a lot of fans find Carr likeable.

 

[St. Widge]

Or... Carr and his people are completely ignoring the words of another idiot beat reporter trying to drum up clicks on his page.

He had some other dbag with the Raiders (Josh Dubow) who would literally troll Carr in every tweet, and show up to press conferences trying to talk to him like nothing happened.

Nick Underhill is not an idiot beat reporter. He is a very credible source and one of the best sports reporters in the business. You don't like the facts, but that doesn't give you the right to insult people because you don't like what they said about your BFF, Derek Carr.

I'm not even sure why you are here when you are clearly a Derek Carr fan and not a Saints fan.

 

[St. Widge]

And like I have said , If DC truly wanted out there would be no mistake

And like I said, if Carr didn't want out, he would have crushed this story just like he made it clear that he wasn't going to take a pay cut without even being asked.

 

[StudioSaint]

Wrongly calling out Olave on the field and arguing with McCoy on the field didn't happen on Twitter or in the locker room.

McCoy said without ambiguity that he started the argument with Carr and that McCoy was at fault. He explained that he was dealing with some emotional/mental health issues at the time.

Carr and Olave have moved on from that one incident. Too bad the so many in the fan base can't move on.

 

[St. Widge]

More than likely when a player wants to be traded/ released his camp lets it be known without a doubt. Rarely does a player's camp in the offseason make statements to dispel a rumor. DC is not a guy that posts much in the offseason, heck he posts very little in general on social media.

It's very likely DC haters , click chasers and blowhards like Moscona fanning the faint embers hoping for smoke

He wouldn't have to post anything on social media. His agent would just let it leak to a reporter that the reports are false and Carr has no desire to leave. That's how these things are done.

And it's not Moscona. It's Underhill who would not put his reputation on the line repeating this story many times unless he had very solid sources to back up the story.

I know you and others don't want this story to be true, but it is bordering on ridiculous to continue to deny it at this point.

It doesn't mean he still wants out or that he won't be the starting QB this year. But it's clear that at some point prior to the restructure, he requested at trade.

 

[StudioSaint]

Or... Carr and his people are completely ignoring the words of another idiot beat reporter trying to drum up clicks on his page.

He had some other dbag with the Raiders (Josh Dubow) who would literally troll Carr in every tweet, and show up to press conferences trying to talk to him like nothing happened.

If I was in Carr's position, I wouldn't feed any trolls either. They're like stray animals. If you feed them, they never go away and more start sniffing around to be fed.

 

[St. Widge]

Open to the idea of being traded is different from wanting out. When a player wants to be traded they make no bones about it. If DC really wanted to be traded we all would have known for sure

We do know for sure that he asked to be traded. Carr's agent is probably the one that leaked the story.

 

[StudioSaint]

Nick Underhill is not an idiot beat reporter.

He didn't say he was talking about Nick Underhill. Underhill never said Carr still wants to be traded and doesn't want to be with the Saints. Underhill is not the person that keeps pushing the speculative story that Carr still wants to be traded.

So why did you jump to the conclusion that he was referring to Nick Underhill?

 

[StudioSaint]

And like I said, if Carr didn't want out, he would have crushed this story just like he made it clear that he wasn't going to take a pay cut without even being asked.

We don't all do the same things in the same situation. I think you are mistakenly assuming that Carr would react the same way you would.

If I knew the team was good with me and I was good with the team, I wouldn't respond to these speculative stories either, because it would only lead to more people doing more of it. I'd also understand that there's nothing I could say that would change the minds of the fans that have chosen to completely buy into the speculation.

Carr not responding doesn't prove anything at all in any way.