Carr wanted to be traded prior to restructure per NOF and CBSsports (3 Viewers)

[NatureBoy]

I still love Jameis, Dalton, Teddy, McCown, Chase, and Blake. None of them were elite.

I'm sure thats the case. I don't know why Carr was treated differently, but it is what it is. The guy obviously gives the Saints the best chance to win, but he's hated. He plays injured and risks his body, but he's hated. Again, this is a franchise (front office) problem, not a Carr problem. Never was a Carr problem. The fans just need someone to blame. Even moreso now that DA is gone.

 

[rlemieux]

Different time, different expectations. The fan base was different too. Today Saints fans are spoiled and impatient. Society has changed too. It's an immediate gratification world.

Carr is unlikable, I don't care how you slice it. Add to that the success that this team had under Payton and Brees and the fact that Mickey and Co. has been and keeps pushing him as a top tier QB when he is in fact nothing more than your average NFL starter. If being average bad, nope but when you're trying to win a Super Bowl average QB's aren't the best bet. Add to that average QB's that come off an condescending and narcissistic on top of being gas lighted by this front office you have a recipe of dislike. I don't care about the 1960/1970/1980 etc. Saints. I want to watch good winning football. I want to turn on my TV on Sundays and feel good about the product I'm watching and spending my time and hard earned money on. I haven't felt that since Payton left, I damn sure that feel like Mickey is giving that to us and Carr is just the cherry of the top of the crap sundae that Mickey and Gayle are trying to feed to fans. Optimism has been replaced by apathy. Love has been replaced by dread and regret. I like many are just ready to turn the next page. DA, Pete, Carr, Mickey are just reminders that we're at best average and average doesn't give you a chance to compete when it really matters. Be content with 7-8-9 wins, I'm not and most of us here aren't. To Carr himself, the dude isn't likeable, not everyone is, but personally I don't want to invest my time in that player. Add to that the weird interviews, the we know what's wrong but we're not telling and yes, even the strange eye liner crap and it makes for a recipe of discontent.

 

[CowtownSaint]

I’m sure Carr will be given or has been given a rigorous defence by some of the delusional posters on here. I have to read through it all but this stinks like fish in a drawer and has for a long time.

We absolutely shot ourselves in the foot on this. This is the worst possible scenario. If he wanted out he should have been out. End of story. Now we have to deal with. A throw away season for our first year head coach.

Brutal brutal brutal. When this gets even worse, maybe people will start calling it like it is, a dumpster fire of a move by our front office.

We could have started fresh NOW, just completely asinine!

 

[Hubig]

Just a messy situation that didn't need to be messy. I hope they find a QB they like enough in this draft cause it could get ugly fast with a disgruntled Carr. It is obvious fans don't want him here and he doesn't wanna be here.

 

[Jd101]

Carr is unlikable, I don't care how you slice it. Add to that the success that this team had under Payton and Brees and the fact that Mickey and Co. has been and keeps pushing him as a top tier QB when he is in fact nothing more than your average NFL starter. If being average bad, nope but when you're trying to win a Super Bowl average QB's aren't the best bet. Add to that average QB's that come off an condescending and narcissistic on top of being gas lighted by this front office you have a recipe of dislike. I don't care about the 1960/1970/1980 etc. Saints. I want to watch good winning football. I want to turn on my TV on Sundays and feel good about the product I'm watching and spending my time and hard earned money on. I haven't felt that since Payton left, I damn sure that feel like Mickey is giving that to us and Carr is just the cherry of the top of the crap sundae that Mickey and Gayle are trying to feed to fans. Optimism has been replaced by apathy. Love has been replaced by dread and regret. I like many are just ready to turn the next page. DA, Pete, Carr, Mickey are just reminders that we're at best average and average doesn't give you a chance to compete when it really matters. Be content with 7-8-9 wins, I'm not and most of us here aren't. To Carr himself, the dude isn't likeable, not everyone is, but personally I don't want to invest my time in that player. Add to that the weird interviews, the we know what's wrong but we're not telling and yes, even the strange eye liner crap and it makes for a recipe of discontent.

First, let me be clear, I am not a Carr fan. However, every game day I cheer for the team, the whole team, to win. I know everyone has players they like and those they don't, but as a team don't we still cheer them on? If not why are we here on a saints forum

 

[St. Widge]

I don't think Carr had a clean slate. He was assigned "DA stink" from the get go. Drew's "love you if you love them" thing didn't apply to Carr. He came in with a good attitude. He put his butt on the line but got booed out of the dome. He took the fall for the franchise's failure. This all goes back to the front office and people who live in the Twitterverse.

To some extent sure. He was DAs hand picked QB. But Winston was literally the QB of a division rival. But DA did Carr no favors by reportedly treating him different than other players and refusing the criticize Carr the way he did other players behind the scenes. And then he had public arguments with Olave and McCoy on the field. And we know Carr was in the wrong in the Olave situation.

So, he didn't do himself any favors with the things he did on the field outside of playing like the mid-level QB that he is. Both the fans and Carr are at fault for this and yes, fans are going to have unreasonable expectations of a QB that is making $40 million per year and have little sympathy for their plight. It comes with the territory of being an NFL QB and I'm sure Carr knows that.

And none of that changes the fact that Winston overcame being the QB of a rival, crab legs in college, eating Ws, and subpar play on the field to be loved simply because he loved New Orleans and embraced the culture. And, by the way, the guy who told Brees that was Archie Manning.

 

[St. Widge]

I'm sure thats the case. I don't know why Carr was treated differently, but it is what it is. The guy obviously gives the Saints the best chance to win, but he's hated. He plays injured and risks his body, but he's hated. Again, this is a franchise (front office) problem, not a Carr problem. Never was a Carr problem. The fans just need someone to blame. Even moreso now that DA is gone.

I think you are ignoring Carr's part in all this. Calling out Olave on the field when Olave wasn't even in the read progression, getting into an on field argument with McCoy, and clearly not getting along with MT to the point where MT when off on him on social media got him off to a bad start.

 

[NatureBoy]

I think you are ignoring Carr's part in all this. Calling out Olave on the field when Olave wasn't even in the read progression, getting into an on field argument with McCoy, and clearly not getting along with MT to the point where MT when off on him on social media got him off to a bad start.

I'm not, I'm just ignoring players bringing their locker room gripes to Twitter.

 

[SigFreudianSlip]

Of course we’ll just casually throw in Winston’s record while being coached by one of the greatest offensive minds the game has seen.

I don’t understand how people can complain and complain and complain about everything wrong with the team, know about the injuries, know about the coaching issues, yet still expect this player to persevere through all of that and still be significantly better than he’s been, if not pretty much elite.



I don’t need to like my team’s players as people. Guess I’m just different like that. I couldn’t care less about how fake a player is or where he eats. I’m not trying to be their friend.

I feel exactly the same, as long as they’re not woman beaters, child beaters, molesters etc.

Other than that I couldn’t care less who or how they are.

 

[NatureBoy]

Carr is unlikable, I don't care how you slice it. Add to that the success that this team had under Payton and Brees and the fact that Mickey and Co. has been and keeps pushing him as a top tier QB when he is in fact nothing more than your average NFL starter. If being average bad, nope but when you're trying to win a Super Bowl average QB's aren't the best bet. Add to that average QB's that come off an condescending and narcissistic on top of being gas lighted by this front office you have a recipe of dislike. I don't care about the 1960/1970/1980 etc. Saints. I want to watch good winning football. I want to turn on my TV on Sundays and feel good about the product I'm watching and spending my time and hard earned money on. I haven't felt that since Payton left, I damn sure that feel like Mickey is giving that to us and Carr is just the cherry of the top of the crap sundae that Mickey and Gayle are trying to feed to fans. Optimism has been replaced by apathy. Love has been replaced by dread and regret. I like many are just ready to turn the next page. DA, Pete, Carr, Mickey are just reminders that we're at best average and average doesn't give you a chance to compete when it really matters. Be content with 7-8-9 wins, I'm not and most of us here aren't. To Carr himself, the dude isn't likeable, not everyone is, but personally I don't want to invest my time in that player. Add to that the weird interviews, the we know what's wrong but we're not telling and yes, even the strange eye liner crap and it makes for a recipe of discontent.

They Saints weren't trying to win a Super Bowl in signing Carr. Maybe they were in their minds, but this franchise was not an average QB away from being a Super Bowl team. The mistake is thinking this was a Super Bowl franchise, but thats what Mickey wanted to sell, and fans bought it. Heck, someone had to be at fault, why not the QB?

I like Carr myself. I've listened to him (and Jameis) speak. I like them for different reasons obviously. Jameis is goofy. Carr is a family man. A man of God. He's confident in his own skin. He plays hard. He plays injured (if he can). He puts his butt on the line. You don't hear him talking shirt in the public, all of whats said about his attitude is speculation. Yeah, he's fiery on the field. He plays with a lot of heart and expects as much from those around him. I like that too.

I was a person who took up for DA. Not because he's a good coach, but because he was a scapegoat. I'll do the same with Carr. He isn't Drew Brees by any stretch. Heck, he's not Jared Goff. That said, the Saints are better with him, than not. That should tell you where the problem is, or maybe isn't. I'm not content with mediocre seasons either. I wanted a rebuild before Sean left. I wanted a rebuild after Sean left. But, this is what THE ORGANIZATION gives you. And here we are debating why Carr is the problem. Loomis made it happen!

So here we are in a messy situation. Carr didn't work out. Why can't we just walk away from him? That goes back to the front office. Make excuses for Mickey as you will, the lack of options due to his cap management is why we're here, along with other mismanagement and the dishonest presentation of the state of the team. Mickey (and the organization) is OK with being mediocre. Just buy your tickets and believe their grandiose pitch about being competitive.

 

[JackDiesel]

Of course we’ll just casually throw in Winston’s record while being coached by one of the greatest offensive minds the game has seen.

I don’t understand how people can complain and complain and complain about everything wrong with the team, know about the injuries, know about the coaching issues, yet still expect this player to persevere through all of that and still be significantly better than he’s been, if not pretty much elite.

I don’t need to like my team’s players as people. Guess I’m just different like that. I couldn’t care less about how fake a player is or where he eats. I’m not trying to be their friend.

And of course we'll ignore the cost thing. I threw that stat in as an afterthought. If you want to go Apples to Apples (I don't think you want to cause this is plain ugly) let's compare him to the Andy Dalton who dealt with a lot of injuries, cost us $3 million and went 6-8. He cost the Bears $10 million the year after.

Carr didn't have great coaching or even a decent team around him with the Raiders yet he at least managed to put together multiple game winning drives a season. That was supposed to be one thing he's does well. Instead we get a QB who panics when pressured and likes to do the whole throw it deep off of one foot thing.

In hindsight Andy Dalton for $30 million a year less would have been better.

 

[Cajun Chat]

It is true. Winston has never been a good QB for the Saints but he loved/loves New Orleans and it loves him back. But, sure, like any NFL city if you are a HoF QB it will love you even if you are an butt crevasse.

It's a good point. Had Carr embraced the city I'm sure this narrative by the fans would be different. It doesn't mean he would have been any better than he's been his entire career which is a mid-level QB but the fans would have taken him in.

 

[BreesusSaves]

Man I can't wait for the full Derek Carr story to come out.

 

[St. Widge]

I'm not, I'm just ignoring players bringing their locker room gripes to Twitter.

Wrongly calling out Olave on the field and arguing with McCoy on the field didn't happen on Twitter or in the locker room. Had Carr chosen to keep those things in the locker room, it would not have started that backlash. As I said, Carr is not without fault in all of this.