Carr wanted to be traded prior to restructure per NOF and CBSsports (4 Viewers)

[Merl]

Remember it didn't end well in Oakland either. He was benched for a journeyman QB.

He was benched because they didn’t want him injured due to the injury guarantee on his contract the following year. Not for performance.

 

[SigFreudianSlip]

Yep. This city still loves Archie Manning and he never had better than a .500 record and never played in a playoff game. Hell some still love Bobby Hebert and he and Carl Smith were the anchors that stopped the Dome Patrol era Saints from winning some playoff games.

You killed that narrative swiftly with the Jameis post. Best example you can give.

 

[St. Geezy]

You killed that narrative swiftly with the Jameis post. Best example you can give.

Too bad our fanbase can’t accept that Carr has outplayed Winston in pretty much every statistical category, which is a part of why I don’t get why he’s been made the punching bag and mascot of all things wrong with the Saints.

I just don’t see what film others are watching when it comes to this player.

 

[St. Widge]

Too bad our fanbase can’t accept that Carr has outplayed Winston in pretty much every statistical category, which is a part of why I don’t get why he’s been made the punching bag and mascot of all things wrong with the Saints.

I just don’t see what film others are watching when it comes to this player.

I think you are confusing who people think is the better QB and gives us the best chance to win, with which QB people like more and wish would give us the better chance to win.

There are some outliers who just hate Carr for whatever reason and have an unnatural love of Winston for some reason, but I think the vast majority of the fanbase realizes that Carr is a better QB than Winston. It's not like there was this huge call from the fanbase to sign Winston this offseason. But I do think many would be happier with Carr if Carr showed the same level of love for the culture as Winston does. And, if he did, I think a lot would have been forgiven. But, he clearly doesn't care to do that and that's certainly his right. And I get the just win/play well point of view, but I think we all know how magical it can be if the starting QB wins/plays well AND embraces the city and its culture.

So it's not about how Winston's plays. It's about Winston being fun and fitting the culture. But that doesn't mean that vast majority of fans don't recognize that Carr is the much better QB. Carr just doesn't really fit the culture, hasn't embraced the culture, and clearly didn't or doesn't really want to be here. Which is his right and fine, as long as he follows that up with having a great season and hopefully getting into the playoffs. Fair or not, the margins for being disliked for a QB not winning games (and yes I get that is not all Carr's fault) is much narrower if that QB also doesn't embrace the city.

But, I think it's pretty clear that the divorce is coming next year which is probably for the best for both Carr and the Saints. And, that the Saints are preparing for that to happen by doing extra work on every possible avenue for getting a new young QB whether it be this year or next.

 

[BBarnes]

when you throw hospital balls to your starting wr's and have only ps players left for rest of season. well yes, is his fault we wasn't good. something how he returned when olave returned, just to throw another hospital ball, then subsequintially get injured himself again.
And your backup has no chance at being any good cause of the diminished team. rattler may or not be it, but we couldn't get a good measuring stick other than, we know he can't carry it all himself.

Did people say this when Justin Fields threw him hospital balls in college?

Andy Dalton?

The hospital ball nonsense is so funny. I’m ready for the day when Carr moves on simply because he’s not “that guy” that will help us get back where we want to be, but the stuff that people say on this board regarding him is so laughable.

 

[JackDiesel]

Too bad our fanbase can’t accept that Carr has outplayed Winston in pretty much every statistical category, which is a part of why I don’t get why he’s been made the punching bag and mascot of all things wrong with the Saints.

I just don’t see what film others are watching when it comes to this player.

Winston cost half of what Carr does and finished his time here with a 13-8 record. If Carr cost the same then it wouldn't be an issue. He's led us on zero game winning drives since joining the Saints and gets panicky under pressure. He had a chance to lead us on a game winning drive against the Eagles but threw a bad INT instead.

 

[SigFreudianSlip]

Too bad our fanbase can’t accept that Carr has outplayed Winston in pretty much every statistical category, which is a part of why I don’t get why he’s been made the punching bag and mascot of all things wrong with the Saints.

I just don’t see what film others are watching when it comes to this player.

That’s the whole point Geezy. It’s not about his play on the field for those folks.

Jameis was terrible on the field and is beloved by (me too) the city, Carr as you say has been much better on the field and is very much disliked by many in the fanbase.

It’s just not about his on field play with them. He’s hammered for his Olave stuff, the stupid (imo) Chipotle thing) and his distance from the city. Lots of folks seem to see him as fake too. From all I can see over here in Tennessee.

I could be very wrong tho, happens often I’m sure.

Derek imo is far from what’s wrong with this team but he also isn’t going to take this team (or any team most likely as has been shown over a very long career already) to the promised land. I truly believe he’s judged by off the field stuff by that group of folks.

I’ll support him while he’s here and will never root against him even after his time here is over. Nothing against the guy from me.

 

[texasjefe]

Winston cost half of what Carr does

Less. Jameis earned $27M with Saints. Carr has earned $60M so far. 1 or 2 seasons more on his contract.

 

[St. Geezy]

Winston cost half of what Carr does and finished his time here with a 13-8 record. If Carr cost the same then it wouldn't be an issue. He's led us on zero game winning drives since joining the Saints and gets panicky under pressure. He had a chance to lead us on a game winning drive against the Eagles but threw a bad INT instead.

Of course we’ll just casually throw in Winston’s record while being coached by one of the greatest offensive minds the game has seen.

I don’t understand how people can complain and complain and complain about everything wrong with the team, know about the injuries, know about the coaching issues, yet still expect this player to persevere through all of that and still be significantly better than he’s been, if not pretty much elite.

That’s the whole point Geezy. It’s not about his play on the field for those folks.

Jameis was terrible on the field and is beloved by (me too) the city, Carr as you say has been much better on the field and is very much disliked by many in the fanbase.

It’s just not about his on field play with them. He’s hammered for his Olave stuff, the stupid (imo) Chipotle thing) and his distance from the city. Lots of folks seem to see him as fake too. From all I can see over here in Tennessee.

I could be very wrong tho, happens often I’m sure.

Derek imo is far from what’s wrong with this team but he also isn’t going to take this team (or any team most likely as has been shown over a very long career already) to the promised land. I truly believe he’s judged by off the field stuff by that group of folks.

I’ll support him while he’s here and will never root against him even after his time here is over. Nothing against the guy from me.

I don’t need to like my team’s players as people. Guess I’m just different like that. I couldn’t care less about how fake a player is or where he eats. I’m not trying to be their friend.

 

[NatureBoy]

I still love Jameis, Dalton, Teddy, McCown, Chase, and Blake. None of them were elite.

There would be no reason to hate McCown, Chase and Teddy, they held a clip board for a first ballot HOFer. I like Jameis too, but not because he's a good QB, he's not. Dalton is a journeyman who passed through, I must have missed that love affair. I liked Blake too, too bad his career here didn't get a chance to take off. I think what you really said there was that the fan base didn't hate those guys like they hate Carr. Other than Jameis, none of those guys are revered personalities who accomplished anything here. Like I said, the Jameis thing is all personality, not accomplishments.

No matter how anyone spins it, Carr was hit with hatred the minute he arrived. I'm not going to say why, but I have some opinions. With the exception of maybe Blake, no one thought any of those other guys were saviors. All I've seen from Carr is a guy who puts his butt on the line for his team. A guy who the Saints have been better with, than without. He's guilty of not being Drew Brees. He's aso saddled with the blowback of Mike Thomas' social media foolishness.

 

[NatureBoy]

Yep. This city still loves Archie Manning and he never had better than a .500 record and never played in a playoff game. Hell some still love Bobby Hebert and he and Carl Smith were the anchors that stopped the Dome Patrol era Saints from winning some playoff games.

Different time, different expectations. The fan base was different too. Today Saints fans are spoiled and impatient. Society has changed too. It's an immediate gratification world.

 

[St. Widge]

Different time, different expectations. The fan base was different too. Today Saints fans are spoiled and impatient. Society has changed too. It's an immediate gratification world.

I don't think that's true. But, even if it is, Winston dealt/deals with the same fanbase and he is loved despite being a worse QB than Carr. It's because he showed love to the city and the culture. And he started at a huge deficit being the QB of a former rival. Carr had a clean slate.

 

[texasjefe]

This entire thread is much ado about nothing.

Carr is under contract, is the presumed starter, and the Saints now have 3 QB-centric coaches on staff.

If they draft a new QB early in a few weeks, that kid gets a year of development, and Rattler gets his year 2 with the new staff.

Assuming Carr is still a few years from retirement, he should be motivated to play well to showcase staying with the Saints or going to a new team in 2026.

 

[NatureBoy]

I don't think that's true. But, even if is, Winston dealt/deals with the same fanbase and he is loved despite being a worse QB than Carr. It's because he showed love to the city and the culture. And he started at a huge deficit being the QB of a former rival. Carr had a clean slate.

I don't think Carr had a clean slate. He was assigned "DA stink" from the get go. Drew's "love you if you love them" thing didn't apply to Carr. He came in with a good attitude. He put his butt on the line but got booed out of the dome. He took the fall for the franchise's failure. This all goes back to the front office and people who live in the Twitterverse.