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[DaveXA]

It’s an example of the cap limiting us, it doesn’t matter what the circumstances were. It refutes the idea that we can sign anyone at any time. The Williams example is another one, although that’s more Watson’s fault, similar to how Rodgers is holding the Packers and Jets hostage.

Again, Loomis managed the cap much differently prior to 2020, and he is on record saying he wants to get the cap back to normal. Once we are out of the restructuring cycle we’re stuck in, I’m sure he will get us there.

And for the record, he is probably doing the best he can with the constraints we have.

Well, that partly what I've been trying to say. It's not exactly like they had a lot of options. Pretty stark really, either blow it all up and start over, or try to keep the nucleus of the team together and stay competitive a while longer. Loomis is stretching those dollars out because he can and because the Saints as an organization are committed to staying competitive in spite of the financial constraints.

No one is saying tHe pot is unlimited, what we're saying is Loomis can still make some interesting choices with the cap and sign players who are integral to the success of the team and make it work by moving money around. It's not perfect, but I'd say on the whole it's working pretty well. And who knows, in 2-3 years Loomis has the cap and salaries back to a normal level and no regrets in trying to keep the team competitive.

 

[Rouxble]

Still doesn't change the fact that there was an estimated $30 million missing from the books that they thought they'd have.

You're just being hard-headed at this stage.

So you say the Saints have more info on the future cap than fans, but couldn’t decipher from articles throughout the 2020 year that the cap would go down in 2021?

And if the cap had gone up, we could have really seen whether the Saints thought his price was too high. We’ll never know. That’s the point. The cap stopped us from even making an attempt.

 

[St. Geezy]

So you say the Saints have more info on the future cap than fans, but couldn’t decipher from articles throughout the 2020 year that the cap would go down in 2021?

I have no idea what you're talking about or how you get this out of what I said. More straw man stuff, I guess.

And for the record, the Saints are not working their cap projections from "articles."

 

[Rouxble]

This is just more strawman stuff, your favorite mode of operation.

People have given you multiple reasons why Hendrickson was not retained, but you flat-out dumb it down to a singular thing that no one has actually said as a singular thing.

Trust me, that gets posted here frequently.

 

[DaveXA]

Those claims are made regularly. Onyemata gone? He’s a bum. Hendrickson gone? He was let go for injury concerns.

The injury excuse only goes one way though, because we signed Maye coming off an Achilles injury with a looming DUI suspension.

I think there is plenty of common ground to be had, the last time I got tied up posting on this topic I said I’m all in favor of discussing how the Saints operate within the constraints, but I’m not going to act like the constraints don’t exist.

And no one is acting like the constraints don't exist. You're hurting your own points with the unnecessary hyperbole.

 

[Rouxble]

I have no idea what you're talking about or how you get this out of what I said. More straw man stuff, I guess.

LOL, you have no idea what a straw man is.

Look back on where I posted all of the facts about how the Saints managed the cap in the past, and look at how all your responses were either personal attacks or changing the subject.

 

[St. Geezy]

Trust me, that gets posted here frequently.

Yeah I think I am not going to trust you there.

 

[St. Geezy]

LOL, you have no idea what a straw man is.

Look back on where I posted all of the facts about how the Saints managed the cap in the past, and look at how all your responses were either personal attacks or changing the subject.

Ok buddy. Whatever you say.

 

[Rouxble]

And no one is acting like the constraints don't exist. You're hurting your own points with the unnecessary hyperbole.

That’s why I keep saying we probably have more common ground than this thread shows. But any time I suggest the cap constrained us in any way, the refrain is always some variation of the cap doesn’t exist and/or kicking the can is what we have always done.

 

[Rouxble]

Ok buddy. Whatever you say.

You’re free to go back and prove it wrong.

 

[St. Geezy]

And no one is acting like the constraints don't exist. You're hurting your own points with the unnecessary hyperbole.

Unnecessary hyperbole? No way man. He doesn't do straw man arguments and we don't know what straw men are.

Get with the program.

 

[DaveXA]

Here goes the pandemic excuse again. The Saints would have been $70m over the cap without the pandemic, assuming a generous 10% cap increase in 2021, another fact posted many times that gets ignored.

Dood, just give it a rest. Pretending that the extra $20-$25 million doesn't matter is silly. Loomis probably understood what was coming and had a plan for that $70 million. You can disagree with that plan, but he was aware of what was coming. What he didn't plan for was the additional $20-30 million or so. He had to pivot and make some choices because of it. We're not in the most ideal position because of it, but it certainly doesn't mean he can't do anything.

 

[St. Geezy]

You’re free to go back and prove it wrong.

Not wasting my time anymore because you will just flip it into something else like you always do.

You're a hard-headed poster that enjoys taking a contrarian point of view and forming straw man arguments when 100 people are trying to tell you how things are.

I'm done trying.

 

[Rouxble]

No one is saying tHe pot is unlimited, what we're saying is Loomis can still make some interesting choices with the cap and sign players who are integral to the success of the team and make it work by moving money around. It's not perfect, but I'd say on the whole it's working pretty well. And who knows, in 2-3 years Loomis has the cap and salaries back to a normal level and no regrets in trying to keep the team competitive.

I overlooked this, and yes I agree that Loomis can make some interesting choices to make it happen in the short term. And I think we are headed in the direction you suggest whether we want to or not, these players will eventually get too old to re-sign and spread the hit.

One interesting thing going into next year is the luxury of having your guy at QB, we have an automatic and obvious restructure available to us that can get us started in 2024.

 

[DaveXA]

So you say the Saints have more info on the future cap than fans, but couldn’t decipher from articles throughout the 2020 year that the cap would go down in 2021?

And if the cap had gone up, we could have really seen whether the Saints thought his price was too high. We’ll never know. That’s the point. The cap stopped us from even making an attempt.

Well, I'm gonna go with Loomis over your opinion. It's funny saying Loomis had no idea what was going it. Pretty presumptuous if you ask me.