{2023 Thread Bumped} Underhill Giving No Quarter to Nick Wright (16 Viewers)

[Optimistic Ozzy]

It is not. It's just being manipulated and stretched. And yes, we do have to make cap sacrificies.

The cap keeps growing every year. I wouldn't call it a sacrifice, I'd call it being selective.

 

[Saint Jack]

Was listening to his podcast. Went on a 20 minute rant about the Saints.
Listed his top five NFC QBs. Put Daniel Jones but not Carr.

 

[Rouxble]

Well, I'm gonna go with Loomis over your opinion. It's funny saying Loomis had no idea what was going it. Pretty presumptuous if you ask me.

I’m not saying he had no idea. It was said that no one could see it coming, I believe Loomis knew before most that the cap would go down. At the very least, he knew that even in an increasing cap environment he would be way over the cap based on the deals we wrote.

Blow it all up for one more run with Brees, I get it and don’t fault him for it.

 

[St. Geezy]

I overlooked this, and yes I agree that Loomis can make some interesting choices to make it happen in the short term. And I think we are headed in the direction you suggest whether we want to or not, these players will eventually get too old to re-sign and spread the hit.

One interesting thing going into next year is the luxury of having your guy at QB, we have an automatic and obvious restructure available to us that can get us started in 2024.

Well, I'm gonna go with Loomis over your opinion. It's funny saying Loomis had no idea what was going on. Pretty presumptuous if you ask me.

 

[new city champ]

My exit comment on this interesting thread is more of a concern than an observation and one based more on general human nature than hard facts.

There is at least some chance that these decisions by Loomis are short-medium term gambits because Mickey knows he's not going to be around to have to clean things up. That will be somebody else's problem. So while he's running the ship, Loomis is happy to mortgage the future to some extent to help his chances to succeed in the present before he retires. Seen that way of thinking in business and politics often...

 

[DaveXA]

My exit comment on this interesting thread is more of a concern than an observation and one based more on general human nature than hard facts.

There is at least some chance that these decisions by Loomis are short-medium term gambits because Mickey knows he's not going to be around to have to clean things up. That will be somebody else's problem. So while he's running the ship, Loomis is happy to mortgage the future to some extent to help his chances to succeed in the present before he retires. Seen that way of thinking in business and politics often...

That feels like a somewhat cynical take. The simpler explanation in my mind is he and the front office want to work to sustain some of the level of success they've had over the last 15+ years. In order to keep the team competitive in the short term, he's leveraging player contracts to try and sustain that success over not just the short term, but also medium and long term.

I'm not in his shoes though, so I could be wrong, but he just doesn't seem like a guy who would intentionally hurt the team's longer term goals.

 

[ItFan]

Overall, this was a really bad moment to sign Carr (not saying it was wrong, just not the best circumstances). DA is a proven loser. Only good player on DL is an old Jordan. Davis and Mathieu are at the end of their careers. Cap mortgage. This means we’re bound to fill holes instead of building by a coherent design like in 2017. Like it or not, continuous restructuring hampers subsequent years capabilities - just like a useless 8-9/9-8 season would in terms of draft capital. They’re keeping alive a project that’s dead just because they don’t want to give up on Allen. This means wasting a couple of years of some players we’re paying a good lot.

 

[Saint Jack]

 

[Saint Jack]

Overall, this was a really bad moment to sign Carr (not saying it was wrong, just not the best circumstances). DA is a proven loser. Only good player on DL is an old Jordan. Davis and Mathieu are at the end of their careers. Cap mortgage. This means we’re bound to fill holes instead of building by a coherent design like in 2017. Like it or not, continuous restructuring hampers subsequent years capabilities - just like a useless 8-9/9-8 season would in terms of draft capital. They’re keeping alive a project that’s dead just because they don’t want to give up on Allen. This means wasting a couple of years of some players we’re paying a good lot.

Actually I think this is a great time, with the rest of the division in shambles, it’s a good time to build something post Payton/Brees.

 

[dtc]

And teams with more cap space and/or less dead money tied up in old contracts have more flexibility to make those choices.

teams that won more than all but 3 other teams over the last 10 years already exercized their flexibility and continue to do so.

 

[Mamba]

My exit comment on this interesting thread is more of a concern than an observation and one based more on general human nature than hard facts.

There is at least some chance that these decisions by Loomis are short-medium term gambits because Mickey knows he's not going to be around to have to clean things up. That will be somebody else's problem. So while he's running the ship, Loomis is happy to mortgage the future to some extent to help his chances to succeed in the present before he retires. Seen that way of thinking in business and politics often...

I think Mickey Loomis has more gratitude and respect for Ms. Benson & the Saints organization than to pull something like that.

 

[NewOrleansFan]

Isn’t he a Jets fan? He is just butthurt.

 

[SaintStephen1]

Chiefs fan

 

[Hoodoo]

So, what is Nick saying today?

 

[Excelsior88]

So, what is Nick saying today?

I'm sure it was something about the saints don't have money to sign a chiefs d lineman and then mumbling something about cans